Quickly Crushed in 19 moves

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21st March 2008, 09:00pm
#1
by DaPharaoh
Gaithersburg, MD United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 155

I just played this game against a higher rated opponent and i want to see what you guys think of it. I blundered a couple times, but even if i got out i would lose material. i was amazed at how easily he beat me

21st March 2008, 09:38pm
#2
by KedDuff
Jamaica
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 91

on move 18 moving castle to G4 was a better forced mate

longer but technically better.

every move would have been forced rather than giving you time to move that queen 1 last time 

 


21st March 2008, 09:52pm
#3
by DaPharaoh
Gaithersburg, MD United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 155
KedDuff wrote:

on move 18 moving castle to G4 was a better forced mate

longer but technically better.

every move would have been forced rather than giving you time to move that queen 1 last time 

 


actually if white moves Qd5 then white can stop the mate after 19... Bd5 20. cxd5 then white has time to move the rook to f2 regardless of black's move


21st March 2008, 10:32pm
#4
by TonightOnly
Phoenix, AZ United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 1215
KedDuff wrote:

on move 18 moving castle to G4 was a better forced mate

longer but technically better.

every move would have been forced rather than giving you time to move that queen 1 last time 

 


 If, by castle, you mean rook...

 

I guess 18...Rg4 could force mate in under 10 moves (and every move would definitely not be forced), but 18...Qh4 is a forced mate in 3. The only thing white can do to delay mate is 19.Qd5+.

 

I think you should try to get rid of the idea of forcing moves as "technically better." There is nothing technically better about them, in any way. I think that you have just come to prefer them, as they are easier for you to guarantee that you have calculated correctly. If you try to get rid of this habit, and start giving thought to what your opponent can achieve after your move, your game will undoubtedly improve.


21st March 2008, 10:40pm
#5
by TonightOnly
Phoenix, AZ United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 1215

18...Rxh2+ also forces mate in three (although it is not technically better!)

 

18...Rxh2+ 19.Kxh2 Qh4+ 20.Kg1 Qg3#

18...Rxh2+ 19.Kg1 Qg6+ 20.Kxh2 Qg2#


22nd March 2008, 06:13am
#6
by Escapest_Pawn
MISSOULA,MT United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 478

Pretty much everything works after move 17 or so.  Even 18)....Rxd2 threatening Qg6 mate.

An earlier error was Bd3, hindering d3, chasing his knight and freeing your queens bishop.  Instead Bc3 may look like it's blocked in, but it would support c pawn advance, which you are happy to swap as it is doubled.

 

Look at 10)Nxf7.  If he takes, Qh5+, the d pawn falls and you recover the knight unless he moved his king to e6 (unlikely) or f8, in which case holding it may be problematic for him.  If he declines the sac, Ng5 looks good.


22nd March 2008, 06:21am
#7
by jaller435718
TX. United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 928
I've had that happen to me before.
16th April 2008, 09:19am
#8
by KedDuff
Jamaica
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 91
ur very right tonightonly, i like to force my oponents so that i'm more sure of myself. i'll take ur advice.
16th April 2008, 04:10pm
#9
by stormcrown
Louisville United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 214
I've played the same game as white.  Or close enough. This week. It hurt.
17th April 2008, 08:05pm
#10
by Sparta
New York United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 556
Maybe 6. ... dxc3 is better. It seems that your pieces were very tangled up in the middlegame, and with this move your dark-squared bishop is immediately activated and your queenside pawns are more intact.
18th April 2008, 09:39pm
#11
by pvmike
Voorhees, NJ United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 516
I play the same response to Petrov's Defense 4.Nxe5 is better.
19th April 2008, 07:46am
#12
by stormcrown
Louisville United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 214

mpt_fz, I don't know if your message is true or not, but the delivery of said message sucks.  Perhaps you'll explain why it sucks,  and what the OP can do to remedy it?


 

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