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Quickly Crushed in 19 moves


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #1

    DaPharaoh

    I just played this game against a higher rated opponent and i want to see what you guys think of it. I blundered a couple times, but even if i got out i would lose material. i was amazed at how easily he beat me

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #2

    KedDuff

    on move 18 moving castle to G4 was a better forced mate

    longer but technically better.

    every move would have been forced rather than giving you time to move that queen 1 last time 

     


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #3

    DaPharaoh

    KedDuff wrote:

    on move 18 moving castle to G4 was a better forced mate

    longer but technically better.

    every move would have been forced rather than giving you time to move that queen 1 last time 

     


    actually if white moves Qd5 then white can stop the mate after 19... Bd5 20. cxd5 then white has time to move the rook to f2 regardless of black's move


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #4

    TonightOnly

    KedDuff wrote:

    on move 18 moving castle to G4 was a better forced mate

    longer but technically better.

    every move would have been forced rather than giving you time to move that queen 1 last time 

     


     If, by castle, you mean rook...

     

    I guess 18...Rg4 could force mate in under 10 moves (and every move would definitely not be forced), but 18...Qh4 is a forced mate in 3. The only thing white can do to delay mate is 19.Qd5+.

     

    I think you should try to get rid of the idea of forcing moves as "technically better." There is nothing technically better about them, in any way. I think that you have just come to prefer them, as they are easier for you to guarantee that you have calculated correctly. If you try to get rid of this habit, and start giving thought to what your opponent can achieve after your move, your game will undoubtedly improve.


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #5

    TonightOnly

    18...Rxh2+ also forces mate in three (although it is not technically better!)

     

    18...Rxh2+ 19.Kxh2 Qh4+ 20.Kg1 Qg3#

    18...Rxh2+ 19.Kg1 Qg6+ 20.Kxh2 Qg2#


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #6

    Escapest_Pawn

    Pretty much everything works after move 17 or so.  Even 18)....Rxd2 threatening Qg6 mate.

    An earlier error was Bd3, hindering d3, chasing his knight and freeing your queens bishop.  Instead Bc3 may look like it's blocked in, but it would support c pawn advance, which you are happy to swap as it is doubled.

     

    Look at 10)Nxf7.  If he takes, Qh5+, the d pawn falls and you recover the knight unless he moved his king to e6 (unlikely) or f8, in which case holding it may be problematic for him.  If he declines the sac, Ng5 looks good.


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #7

    jaller435718

    I've had that happen to me before.
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #8

    KedDuff

    ur very right tonightonly, i like to force my oponents so that i'm more sure of myself. i'll take ur advice.
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #9

    stormcrown

    I've played the same game as white.  Or close enough. This week. It hurt.
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #10

    Sparta

    Maybe 6. ... dxc3 is better. It seems that your pieces were very tangled up in the middlegame, and with this move your dark-squared bishop is immediately activated and your queenside pawns are more intact.
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #11

    pvmike

    I play the same response to Petrov's Defense 4.Nxe5 is better.
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #12

    stormcrown

    mpt_fz, I don't know if your message is true or not, but the delivery of said message sucks.  Perhaps you'll explain why it sucks,  and what the OP can do to remedy it?


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #13

    invaderX17

    That happened to me once. But that was before I was a chess.com member. I played OTB for a long time.


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