Random game with the Danish Gambit refutation

5 months ago · Quote · #1
elbowgrease
5 months ago · Quote · #2
funandniceisme

nice
5 months ago · Quote · #3
AnthonyCG

A complete rout...
5 months ago · Quote · #4
DrSpudnik

Some refutation.

You got your pawn majority moving while Black ran out his memorized "refutation" and then sputtering around with pointless piece moves. Nice attack.
5 months ago · Quote · #5
litevibe

Elbowgrease, congratulations and welldone! That is a beautiful Danish Gambit win in a line that I thought was supposed to favor Black? Is there some way I could store this game for future reference?
5 months ago · Quote · #6
caesarsecundus

that line is not a 'refutation,' as it is theoretically a draw, but it (usually) takes the sting out of the opening
5 months ago · Quote · #7
elbowgrease

I'm just trying to show that white's pawn majority can be quicker in a game :)
5 months ago · Quote · #8
elbowgrease

i do hope i can get an attack most of the time though :p
4 months ago · Quote · #9
rightfang

movement black accepts 3 pawns, white gets a massive speed & freedom which is very difficult to stop !
4 months ago · Quote · #10
litevibe

These short Danish Gambit instructional videos by Grandmaster Tartar Sauce on Youtube are great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE1xir9S4Y8&feature=related
4 months ago · Quote · #11
Conquistador

A true refutation of the Danish involves taking both pawns and holding onto them.
4 months ago · Quote · #12
IM pfren

What's the point behind 11...Bg4? I do not see any- white is fine after 12.Ne5+ (equal or slightly better for white). The only point is making white to play 12.e5?! as happened in the game- Black is now somewhat better after the most natural 12...Nc6 (why the knight had to go on d7?).

14.h3?! is justifying Black's eleventh: 14...Bxf3 15.Nxf3 Nc5 and it's apparent that Black's position is quite promising. Maybe equal, but only black can have fun here.

18...N7b6? may look like a natural move, but factly it's a blunder: Black puts the knight on a useless square, releases the pressure off e5, and allows white to push his pawns. Black had to move the bishop from g6 (maybe the h7 square is best, did not havce time to check properly) to stop f4-f5. 19.Rae1? is pretty inconsistent too (what is wrong with the simple and very strong 19.f5?). Black could now get rid of their bishop by 19...Bxe4.

Your 20.Nc5? drops the f4 pawn for nothing.

22.f6? is a textbook example on how to destroy your winning positional advantage: White willingly frees the entombed h7 bishop, and allows black to blockade his pawn majority: 22...gf6 23.e6!? (after 23.ef6 Kf7 Black seems doing fine) and white has fine compensation for his pawn, but this is not so relevant since after the simple 22.e6 Black's position is simply disgusting.

As played, after 24.Nxg7 it's game over.
4 months ago · Quote · #13
litevibe

There is some new information out on the Danish Gambit. Grandmaster Tim Harding says the DG has not been refuted. Also Grandmaster Karsten Muller and FIDE Master Martin Voigt in there new book "Danish Dynamite" claim it has not been refuted.

Also I read somewhere that another German Grandmaster has come up with a new line that makes the DG good; but I can not find the reference. GM Tartar Sauce does mention him in his videos. If anyone else knows of this GM I would appreciate your posting of the information.
4 months ago · Quote · #14
elbowgrease

pfren wrote:

What's the point behind 11...Bg4? I do not see any- white is fine after 12.Ne5+ (equal or slightly better for white). The only point is making white to play 12.e5?! as happened in the game- Black is now somewhat better after the most natural 12...Nc6 (why the knight had to go on d7?).

14.h3?! is justifying Black's eleventh: 14...Bxf3 15.Nxf3 Nc5 and it's apparent that Black's position is quite promising. Maybe equal, but only black can have fun here.

18...N7b6? may look like a natural move, but factly it's a blunder: Black puts the knight on a useless square, releases the pressure off e5, and allows white to push his pawns. Black had to move the bishop from g6 (maybe the h7 square is best, did not havce time to check properly) to stop f4-f5. 19.Rae1? is pretty inconsistent too (what is wrong with the simple and very strong 19.f5?). Black could now get rid of their bishop by 19...Bxe4.

Your 20.Nc5? drops the f4 pawn for nothing.

22.f6? is a textbook example on how to destroy your winning positional advantage: White willingly frees the entombed h7 bishop, and allows black to blockade his pawn majority: 22...gf6 23.e6!? (after 23.ef6 Kf7 Black seems doing fine) and white has fine compensation for his pawn, but this is not so relevant since after the simple 22.e6 Black's position is simply disgusting.

As played, after 24.Nxg7 it's game over.

Wow pfren I would've really been able to see all this in a 3 minute game!