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Isn't it automatic? :(
We had another game, and this time, he's the one forcing the repetition of moves, and I offered him a draw! :D
So I have to "claim" a draw. What if he refuses?
He can't refuse if there has been threefold repetition, you claim and the draw is instant.
It is not a repetition of moves that result in a draw. The repetition is in the position. Granted the same moves in a series where noting else is moved will result in multiple occurances of the same position but i wanted to point out that it is the position that is important.
Lol. 25...Bd3 is mate. And why does white not take black's queen?
So, in repetition of moves, provided that the position is in consonance with chess rules, a player will just "click" the "Draw" button, and the game will automatically end in a draw, right?
Thank you for the clarification, Scottrf and JoseO! Much obliged! Cheers!
I think your PGN may be corrupted.
1. c4 dxc4
But yeah, the draw is claimed by hitting "Draw" if it's claimable, otherwise it's construed as an offer.
I wonder why 22.f8 is
I like Black's 12th move best.
Lol, just seen he castled by taking his own knight.
Only in bullet games is the repetition rule removed from drawing play. If the server evaluates the position and the position has occured 3 times in the game AT ANY POINT, the game is considered drawn. This would be no different than if a TD or Arbiter looked at a game in a tournament as well.
Sometimes, players also confuse repetition and perpetual checking games. In a perpetual check game, you can have a position repeat itself as well and get the draw by repetition automatically. In a perpetual, you must typically offer a draw at which point the other player can accept or decline as he/she may wish.
Here is an example of a perpetual:
This would obviously be more realistic if a potential stalemate or mating event is available for Black and might look like this:
Again, you must claim and/or prove you have the draw in a perpetual check position whereas in a threefold repetition, the position must occur 3 times in the game, not necessarily being consecutive.
Typically though, the etiquette used to be that the higher rated player would primarily offer the draw but given the play of each player, now anyone may offer a draw without affront to another player should they be able to prove the draw is there. When I have a draw and it is declined, I will usually explain in the text why i see the draw and either I get a draw or simply have to prove it is there. Some positions are easy to see draws others aren't. Sometimes I see a draw and my opponent will prove it is not there.
Anyway all that said, anyone can offer a draw at any time for any reason and anyone can accept or decline as they wish. Only threefold repetitions, insufficient material and stalemate are recognized by the server as automatic draws while the rest must be proven or agreed upon.
I don't play bullet on chess.com much, but I think you also have to claim a draw on 3 fold in bullet (on chess.com) as well. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
You are correct you have to claim the draw. Some time ago I had 3 bullet games with some quite funny scenarios. The time control was 2|1, so if you play quick enaugh, you won't lose on time. I scored 1,5/3, so I guess it was fair.
In one game I and my opponent repeated about 20 times without him claiming a draw and then I won on time.
Then some matches later (not sure if same opponent) we played a lot of repetition and when I finally decided to claim draw it was drawn by 50-move rule instead.
The last game with a new opponent was quite embarrassing. I had no time trouble and was about to claim draw by repetition, but missclicked on resign and lost instead.
Maybe I should add that I also have succeded to claim draw by repetition too.
This is a game played just now. Repetition of moves were made and a draw was offered. However, it was declined. Later on, another offer was made and it was accepted. So, the question, even if it's a repetition of moves, it's not a draw even if the offeror claims it and the opponent refuses?
Only threefold repetitions, insufficient material and stalemate are recognized by the server as automatic draws while the rest must be proven or agreed upon. - Portland Patzer.
It's clear to me now! Thanks!
Threefold repetitions are automatic draws only if one player claims it. If neither player wants a draw it's not a draw. If one player wants a draw he gets it whether or not his opponent agrees.
Repeating the same position three times is, in my opinion, usually the only proper way to get a draw. Asking for a draw is an annoying and rude interruption for the opponent who is trying to think. Asking for a draw a 2nd time even though the answer will most certainly be "no" is a rudeness that deserves something that would be inappropriate to write about here.
Also, avoiding a three move repetition even though the 50 move rule is inevitable is a rude way to waste the opponent's time.
Being rude is legal in both chess and real life, but these people are only ruining their reputation.
Yup the submitted PGN is corrupted, but I had laid down my case exactly as what I really want to tell it, as shown by your posts.
Your comments are all appreciated! Cheers, mates!
Threefold repetitions are automatic draws if one player claims it. - Bobyyy
I learned the hard way, lol!
Anyways, thanks, guys! :D
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