here's another scenario where my opponent resign after 14 moves. I felt the control was mine, but I was not expecting him to resign. Is black lost here?

 

...ryan

 

 

no i wouldn't Resign, 15 Nb3 seems to hold material & White's up a piece for a pawn!

No he resigned far to soon i think. 15.Nb3 would have held it safe enough to have a fight now and he isnt down that much not to have any chance to come back.  If 15...Be6 16.Rb1...c5 17.Nf3 still holds it together...

Although black is down by the points given each piece, I believe he has a clear advantage and is posing a real threat to the white king. Your bishop is pinned and needs support. I would expect black to resign in this game before white. But in any event a resignation was not warranted at all. Maybe he had to go on a trip and did not want to leave you hanging...

littleman, 15. Nb3 Be6 16. Rb1 Rxd3 is crushing. If 17. Qxd3 Bc4 pins and wins the queen.

Loomis wrote: littleman, 15. Nb3 Be6 16. Rb1 Rxd3 is crushing. If 17. Qxd3 Bc4 pins and wins the queen.

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nice play Loomis but at the 1400 level i would play on a bit 'til my opponent(proved he had a win) pinned the Q.

Don1, I don't disagree with that. I was merely giving the continuation of a line that was supposedly holding things together.

yes, his queen was hopeless in this situation. i still think it's true that i don't play at a high enough level to where i might not fall into a trap, or make a mistake.

 

perhaps he just didn't see his knight move, or how he could get out?

 

...ryan 

Is black lost here?

 

White is losing, lost at higher levels, but almost any knight move parries the immediate threats. I think he resigned prematurely at the 1400-level.

 

15.Ndf3 Qb2+! 16.Kf1 Rxd3 17.Qb1 and I don't envy White's position (poor and stymied development, knights vs bishops on an open board, a pawn down) but Black still has to do some work to prove he can convert the position.

this is too soon for resignation, theres a lot of play left for white, i guess some people dont have the patience once their down. black is threatening, has a clear advantage but white should have continued,

I don't know how to show the position but no matter where a person is in a game they have the right to resign. when someone make a bad move or make a mistake and in their mind they think it's going to get worst at lest they did the honorable thing and resign. I think the person did resign to earily but you get the win. the best fight is no fight at all. if your going to win a million dollars fight mike tyson would you much rather him resign befor the fight or let him beat the hell out of you? I'll take the money without the woppin. LOL call it what you will but no matter how you look at it I have a million dollars without the butt woppin.

PlayToMateFirst wrote: I don't know how to show the position but no matter where a person is in a game they have the right to resign. when someone make a bad move or make a mistake and in their mind they think it's going to get worst at lest they did the honorable thing and resign. I think the person did resign to earily but you get the win. the best fight is no fight at all. if your going to win a million dollars fight mike tyson would you much rather him resign befor the fight or let him beat the hell out of you? I'll take the money without the woppin. LOL call it what you will but no matter how you look at it I have a million dollars without the butt woppin.

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Analogy doesn't work, neither money nor health is at risk here, and there is a better possibility to learn if the game is finished.

jamjosh wrote: Although black is down by the points given each piece, I believe he has a clear advantage and is posing a real threat to the white king. Your bishop is pinned and needs support. I would expect black to resign in this game before white. But in any event a resignation was not warranted at all. Maybe he had to go on a trip and did not want to leave you hanging...

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Excuse my confusion I thought you were playing white, and black resigned, white I can understand resigning because he will lose "at least" the bishop and would be down 2 pieces with more to come. You are in a dominant position and it is just a matter of time.