Schachgeek's draw vs GM Reshevsky

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23rd September 2009, 08:45pm
#1
by Schachgeek
Western Hemisphere United States
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Ok folks and especially Mayhem...This is the final position in the game Hartley-Reshevsky. After Bxf6, Sammy offers a draw.

Some people might say I should have played on because of the 3 vs 2 queenside majority, even with the oppo bishops.

What do you think?

23rd September 2009, 08:51pm
#2
by NM tonydal
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I think I would've accepted a draw with great eagerness against Sam the Man.

23rd September 2009, 09:11pm
#3
by goldendog
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Was this a privately arranged CC game? I know Reshevsky played many of them. If so, how much did it cost for a game with him?

23rd September 2009, 09:22pm
#4
by Schachgeek
Western Hemisphere United States
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Yes, a correspondence game.

My first two games with Sammy cost $10 each, but then his rate went up - to $15 per game.

Unheard of even in those days. Other GM's would charge $75-100 or more for a correspondence game. 

The deal was you'd send an SASE postcard with each move so all he had to do was calculate, write down his move and autograph it. I once asked him how many games he was playing simultaneously and his answer was "many."

24th September 2009, 12:05pm
#5
by LisaV
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hmm.  i have no idea about this game, but i think you should consider offering draws to me.  :)

24th September 2009, 05:36pm
#6
by Elubas
Buffalo United States
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Well you could play it out, but with the bishops of opposite, it's very unlikely that one passed pawn would be enough and considering his strength too, the draw is fine. White is quite a bit better, but still the win's probably not possible.

25th September 2009, 12:00am
#7
by Skwerly
Yucaipa, CA United States
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If someone the likes of Reshevsky offered me a draw in this position, I do believe I would take it.  In fact, I know I would.  Why go on to blunder away the draw or the win, when you can safely secure the 1/2?  :)

25th September 2009, 12:50am
#8
by NM tonydal
United States
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That was my thought.

25th September 2009, 12:39pm
#9
by Elubas
Buffalo United States
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But even theoretically that seems drawn because of the bishops of opposite color and plus a GM probably plays the endgame much better than any of us. He probably wanted to get the game over with so he offered the draw, knowing he would accept lol.

25th September 2009, 11:10pm
#10
by Schachgeek
Western Hemisphere United States
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One of these days I'm going to feed the position to an engine.

Problem is, Reshevsky was probably stronger in the endgame than any engine today. So honestly I'll never know the answer.

29th September 2009, 02:08am
#11
by Mashad
Bangladesh
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can u please just post the whole game?

29th September 2009, 09:02pm
#12
by Schachgeek
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29th September 2009, 09:06pm
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by Schachgeek
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29th September 2009, 09:11pm
#14
by Schachgeek
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30th September 2009, 09:43am
#15
by Schachgeek
Western Hemisphere United States
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hackattack wrote:

when did you play this game?


it was a correspondence game (one move per postcard) completed in 1983.

30th September 2009, 09:54am
#16
by Schachgeek
Western Hemisphere United States
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cacoon wrote:

Uh, no, by all standards the final position is a dead draw, which you didn't even seem to mind considering Rxf6.

One question from the middlegame, after Qd8(?), doesn't Nxe7 Qxe7 Bg5 Ned7 lead white to have a fairly good position?  Although it looks like reshvesky can gain back some ground attacking a fair number of loose white pieces and pawns, so I'm pretty lost on the continuation -.-;;


Qd8 is a tacit acknowledgement that his previous Q move 15. ... Qb6 was a mistake.

Now were's talking about a game that I haven't spent much time with in the last 26 years (haha I'm old!) but as I recall Nxe7 Qxe7 with the intent to pile on his isolani at d6...leaves my a and c pawns open to mischief from black. And don't forget after 16. Nd5 my isolated pawn at e4 is hanging too.

If anyone's really bored you can view this game and the two games I got spanked by Reshevsky on www.chesslive.de

search by my last name.

 

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