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18th November 2007, 09:52am
#1
by Queenie
The London House United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 1346

I was about to checkmate my opponant, when up came drawn by stalemate. How???? This isn't the first time this has happened to me. Can anyone explain please.

18th November 2007, 09:57am
#2
by Reservesmonkey
Azerbaijan
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 344
I can't explain but have had it happen. I went to move a rook to checkmate the opponent and it came up a stalemate even though it was clearly a forced mate.
18th November 2007, 09:57am
#3
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2153

If your opponent has no legal moves and the king is not in check, this is stalemate and the game is a draw.

 

Look carefully at the final position ofyour game. Notice that your opponent's king cannot move without being in danger from one of your pieces. Also, none of your pieces are currently attacking the king, so the king is not in check. Since your opponent can not make a move, but is not in check, the position is stalemate and the result is a draw. 


19th November 2007, 08:10am
#4
by Face_of_Boe
Sussex England
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 100

You didn't really need the second queen, it's trivial to checkmate with king and queen. Just use your queen and king to restrict the opponents king to an ever smaller area of the board, whilst ensuring before each move that you give

your opponent a safe squarre to move to, thus avoiding stalemate.


19th November 2007, 09:06am
#5
by Ray_Brooks
Heart of Darkness England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1011

Queenie, I think the following link will be of great use to you (I looked at the final position you refer to):

 

http://www.chess.com/article/view/cornering-and-avoiding-stalemate

 

Hope this helps Ma'am!

20th November 2007, 02:47am
#6
by Darren96
Singapore
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 395

thanks!

 

20th November 2007, 03:39am
#7
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2073
I think your question about stalemates has been answered, but I think there's another issue you should look into.  You need to learn to recognize when you have checkmate in one move.  I looked at your game with Zhane, and 30.Qd1 and 45.Qf1 both would have been checkmate.  There are many tools online that will be able to aid you seeing these opportunities.  Remember to consider all of your options before deciding on a move.  Good luck!
20th November 2007, 01:00pm
#8
by Queenie
The London House United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 1346
Thank you all so much for you answers, Yes I do miss a lot of suitable moves but I am learning all the time. Thanks again.
25th November 2007, 12:00pm
#9
by chesscombat
Cainta Philippines
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 159
queenie wrote:

I was about to checkmate my opponant, when up came drawn by stalemate. How???? This isn't the first time this has happened to me. Can anyone explain please.


 a stalemate is when your opponents king has nowhere to go and he or she has nothing to move and there is no check,

 chesscombat


25th November 2007, 02:44pm
#10
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2073
chesscombat wrote: queenie wrote:

I was about to checkmate my opponant, when up came drawn by stalemate. How???? This isn't the first time this has happened to me. Can anyone explain please.


 a stalemate is when your opponents king has nowhere to go and he or she has nothing to move and there is no check,

 chesscombat


 Thanks for that timely response.


25th November 2007, 02:48pm
#11
by spair75
paris France
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 124

go queenie - there is a new rule 

No player can claim stalemate unless agreed to by the opponent if the opponent still has a queen on the board. Cool 

25th November 2007, 02:52pm
#12
by wetland154
Los Angeles, CA United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 256
its when no one can move
25th November 2007, 03:56pm
#13
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2073
spair75 wrote:

go queenie - there is a new rule 

No player can claim stalemate unless agreed to by the opponent if the opponent still has a queen on the board.  


 What?  Stalemate is not claimed.  Stalemate just happens.


25th November 2007, 04:16pm
#14
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2073
Yes, guitarman, that is a stalemate.
25th November 2007, 04:32pm
#15
by spair75
paris France
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 124
no guitar man - black can claim the 'harrassment move' rule - meaning white needs to move back his queen.Cool
25th November 2007, 05:20pm
#16
by Ricardo_Morro
Bridgeport, CT United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 233

It is, of course, possible to make up one's own rules for chess, even change the size or shape of the board or add new pieces with new kinds of moves. But then it is not chess! Such new variants are known as "fairy chess." In the middle ages, stalemate was a victory for the side imposing it; but so as long as chess is chess in its present-day modern form, stalemate is stalemate and is a draw.

spair 75, si vous voulez jouer un jeu de votre seule invention, n'attendez pas que les autres le jouent avec vous. Smile


25th November 2007, 06:01pm
#17
by JediMaster
Brookings SD United States
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 304
There are many times I have heard people discussing resigning when they are losing.  I have insisted that you continue to play until the end.  The end being checkmate, draw, stalemate.  I had one game where my opponent clearly had the advantage and should have won.  I continued to play the game out to the conclusion.  I was hoping that my opponent would make a mistake and I would be able to gain the advantage and win.  Well he made some mistakes, but not enough for me to win.  He made enough for me to go for stalemate and cause a draw avoiding a loss.  Causing a stalemate meanings thinking cleverly and sometimes making unusual moves in order to create stalemate.   I am even sure there has been a puzzle featured on www.chess.com showing a stalemate.
25th November 2007, 09:56pm
#18
by Ricardo_Morro
Bridgeport, CT United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 233
Stalemate is a frequent theme in endgame studies. On the elementary level, the defense by a king against a king and pawn to keep the pawn from queening ends in stalemate.
25th November 2007, 10:22pm
#19
by ancientpistol
michigan United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 355
if the king is not in check and cannot make a legal move such as depicted in the above diagram it is a stalemate
1st December 2007, 07:18pm
#20
by killerqueen
belfast Ireland
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 16
guitar_man_03 wrote: is this a stalemate?

yes plain and simple

 

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