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  • 3 years ago · Quote · #1

    homernh

    So... this is my game after 31 moves.

    I think 33. Qg2 would have been crushing, but the computer analysis says I should have pushed a pawn (33. d5) instead. 

    What am I missing?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #2

    utarefson

    You are threatening mate on e8. And e8 is defended by Black's Rook and Queen, so attack on Black Queen - pawn d5 and then Black Qd7, and White Re7 should be enough.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #3

    homernh

    but why isn't 33. Qg2 the best move? If 33. d5 Qd7, I still can't attack e8 yet.  With Qg2, I'm skewering the queen and threatening mate.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #4

    Sirfatticus

    I'm not sure what computer analysis you're using, but 33. Qg2 is the best move and a mate in 8 according to Houdini. 

    Here's the line it gave:

    33. Qg2 gxf6 34. Qxc6 fxe5 35. Qxa8+ Nb8 36. Qxb8+ Kg7 37. Qxe5+ Kg6 38. Qf6+ Kh5 39. Rg1 Kxh4 40. Qh6#

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #5

    homernh

    Thanks, Sirfatticus, I'm using Chess.com's diamond level (2500 rating) post game computer analysis. 

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #6

    rickdaniels52

    chess.com's diamond level has its flaws told me i blundered when my move gave me a forced mate in 6     what about   33 .... qxq?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #7

    homernh

    I _LOVE_  33... QxQ - 34. Re8+, RxR  35. RxR#

    That's what makes it such a crushing move, IMO.  Take the queen, you lose.  Move the queen, you lose.  Give up your queen and rook, mate in 8. Cool

    So... it's chess.com that's wrong?  Or what I missing about 33. d5 that makes it the best move?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #8

    ChristianSoldier007

    32.Qg2 Qxg2 and what does white have again?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #9

    ChristianSoldier007

    ah you meant on move 33 not 32 nevermind

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #10

    rickdaniels52

    you must have the pices in  different places than my diagram the white rooks are not connecrted 

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #11

    homernh

    @rickdaniels52

    The diagram starts with 32.  Red1 (connecting the rooks) and 32... b4.  To provide a hint of context going into the question.  Then came my mistake of 33. c4.  Chess.com insists 33. d5 is the best move, but 33. Qg2 seems much better to me.  What am I missing? 

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #12

    rickdaniels52

    that's why i lose games your move looks good

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #13

    homernh

    Thanks, (and feel free to challenge me to a game Laughing ) but I'm bothered by the computer analysis.  This advanced analysis is one of the 'perks' of being a paid member.  So... either there is a problem with 33. Qg2 that I don't see and 33. d5 really is better... or I'm paying for crappy information. 

    Annyone know?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #14

    zborg

    You set up the board wrong.  With white rook on d1, you simply drop your queen.

    You should correct the numbering, or adjust your explanation.  Whatever.  Your presentation has already mislead some folks earlier in this thread.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #15

    Jitesh

    what if black plays 33..Qd7 in response to 33Qg2 ?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #16

    OldHastonian

    Jitesh wrote:

    what if black plays 33..Qd7 in response to 33Qg2 ?

    Then 34. Qxa8+...

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #17

    homernh

    @ zborg - the diagram starts at move 32.  The move in question is 33.  The numbering is correct.

    @ Jitesh - if black moves the queen away, such as 33... Qd7, then 34. Qxa8+ and black can only delay mate by throwing the knight and queen in front of it.  Even if ...Qxa8, Rxe8+ Qxe8, Rxe8# takes it home. 

    So... am I missing some aspect of awesomeness about 33. d5 that makes it even better than 33. Qg2, or am I paying for a bad analysis?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #18

    jerry2468

    The computer on chess.com and the computer workout program both analyze too quickly to be of too much use at advanced levels. I am often told that winning moves are blunders.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #19

    OldHastonian

    homernh wrote:

    So... am I missing some aspect of awesomeness about 33. d5 that makes it even better than 33. Qg2, or am I paying for a bad analysis?

    The latter.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #20

    homernh

    Here's the 'correct line' offered by the analysis, with Sifatticus' Houdini line as an alternate.




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