What is and what should never be

3 years ago · Quote · #1
mijovic91

Ever had one of those moments where you think; "Oh God! If only I'd played that!" Well, here's a blitz game where I experienced that exact feeling, after going up a piece, I didn't play sufficiently aggressively to maintain my advantage... here's how it started

At this point I realised that I had played far too passively, and duly I later lost the game. Somewhere around the 25th move, when I had been deep in thought about the situation I found the move that I probably should have played, having analysed it, I believe it leads to a heavy advantage for black. See if you can find what I think is the best progression for Black here...

If only I'd have played that!
3 years ago · Quote · #2
styxtwo

its a very interesting position, now im trying to figure out what black should do if white doesnt take the knight with the king :)
3 years ago · Quote · #3
mijovic91

Wow! I didn't spot that at all, I just thought, Ng3 fxg3 and that's it! Well I guess it just reinforces the point, If only I'd played that!
3 years ago · Quote · #4
styxtwo

oh crap, i messed up the edits >.<

here is the position again :P

i just dont know what happens when black doesnt take the knight.

aaaaah i messed up again, dont mind the pawn on c7, it isn't supposed to be there :P
3 years ago · Quote · #5
NM OmarCayenne

Your opponent had 7 Nxe5 (7... de 8 Bf7+).
3 years ago · Quote · #6
quny

why should we commit on blitz games. blitz games are supposed to be fast and all blunders are not taken advantage off
3 years ago · Quote · #7
quny

BY THE WAY WHAT WAS THE TIME OF THIS GAME
3 years ago · Quote · #8
NM OmarCayenne

I'm a bit confused by all these diagrams. Yes, 19... Ng3+ does win the exchange. You have to be very careful about White's one large threat though. For example, in the first position, after 4... Qxf4 (you have the board--and coordinates--reversed) White has 5 Qb8+ Bc8 6 Be6 and in order to try to win Black has to resort to 6... Bf8 to save his rook--and king (6... Bh4 7 Qxc8+ Ke7 8 Qd7+ Kf6? 9 Qf7+ Kg5 10 Qxg7+ Kh5 11 g4+ and mate next move). It doesn't look especially promising for him.

Black had better though: 3... Rf8 (threatening mate in 2) and on 4 h3 Bh4 threatens mate in 3 (as well as giving Black's king some much-needed air). If Black played 4... Bxh3 there btw he is still stymied by 5 Qb8+ Bc8 6 Be6 (6... Qh4+ 7 Bh3).
3 years ago · Quote · #9
quny

tonydal wrote:

I'm a bit confused by all these diagrams. Yes, 19... Ng3+ does win the exchange. You have to be very careful about White's one large threat though. For example, in the first position, after 4... Qxf4 (you have the board--and coordinates--reversed) White has 5 Qb8+ Bc8 6 Be6 and in order to try to win Black has to resort to 6... Bf8 to save his rook--and king (6... Bh4 7 Qxc8+ Ke7 8 Qd7+ Kf6? 9 Qf7+ Kg5 10 Qxg7+ Kh5 11 g4+ and mate next move). It doesn't look especially promising for him.

Black had better though: 3... Rf8 (threatening mate in 2) and on 4 h3 Bh4 threatens mate in 3 (as well as giving Black's king some much-needed air). If Black played 4... Bxh3 there btw he is still stymied by 5 Qb8+ Bc8 6 Be6 (6... Qh4+ 7 Bh3).

THIS IS A BLITZ GAME NOT A TOURNAMENT GAME OR OTB ...SO WHAT IS WITH THE DEEP VARIATIONS GIVING FOR THE POSITION. I REPEAT IT WAS A BLITZ GAME
3 years ago · Quote · #10
RetGuvvie98

looks like a classic case of "woulda, coulda, shoulda - - - but failed to find the line"

I think that styxtwo has every right to consider the combinations deeply in analysis, and solicit advice on proper handling of the position. After all, he played into that position, and most likely will get into a similar one - either in blitz or OTB slower time control at some point in the future.

certainly as much right to do that as anyone else, whether private analysis or public, he has the right.

Disclaimer: above is a personal opinion only, not site management opinion of any sort.
3 years ago · Quote · #11
TNziggy0076

quny wrote:

THIS IS A BLITZ GAME NOT A TOURNAMENT GAME OR OTB ...SO WHAT IS WITH THE DEEP VARIATIONS GIVING FOR THE POSITION. I REPEAT IT WAS A BLITZ GAME

yankees fans...
3 years ago · Quote · #12
NM OmarCayenne

quny wrote:

THIS IS A BLITZ GAME NOT A TOURNAMENT GAME OR OTB ...SO WHAT IS WITH THE DEEP VARIATIONS GIVING FOR THE POSITION. I REPEAT IT WAS A BLITZ GAME

Maybe the game was blitz--but a position is a position.

I think TNziggy was right--sounds like somebody's still a little sore about 2004. ("'How the hell should I know?'" he said. 'How the hell should I know a stupid thing like that?'"--cab driver in Catcher in the Rye)
3 years ago · Quote · #13
the_big_j_77

TNziggy0076 wrote:

quny wrote:

THIS IS A BLITZ GAME NOT A TOURNAMENT GAME OR OTB ...SO WHAT IS WITH THE DEEP VARIATIONS GIVING FOR THE POSITION. I REPEAT IT WAS A BLITZ GAME

yankees fans...

My thoughts, exactly. Go Cards, btw!!
3 years ago · Quote · #14
quny

damn right im still mad about 2004 thats why i had to let it go. same with blitz games

all im saying is why analyzie a blitz game ? for the puropose of the same position as a more time control game. I understand what your are doing. But do u study your blitz games nooo. Blitz to me are played on instinst. Opionion is like a belly-button everybody got one. studying blitz games are a waste of time, we will just be hurting our games if we did (just my belly-button)
3 years ago · Quote · #15
NM OmarCayenne

I don't necessarily agree. I mean, I know what you're saying too (people who put up their blitz games like it's Kasparov-Karpov or something)...but I think the point is that an interesting position is an interesting position, regardless of the time control. And (sometimes) blitz games yield the most interesting positions of all. I think it was cool in that situation how both players were right on the precipice.

(Btw I'm a Giants fan...and I can't even tell you how pissed I still am about 2002.)
3 years ago · Quote · #16
mijovic91

Thanks for all your comments gentlemen. To answer a few queries, this was an 11|5 game. I must say I completely agree with NM tonydal, any interesting postition is worth taking a look at because there may well be something to learn from it. In this case, under time constraints I was not bold enough to take the pawn on f2 with my Rook (I APOLOGISE ONCE MORE FOR REVERSED CO-ORDINATES) but now I have learnt that in a blitz game it is worth looking a little into those seemingly illogical lines because some of them can yield a result! I was so preoccupied with the fact that I didn't think I had enough material to force a mate or a successful attack that I played an awful passive move that led to my downfall!