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16th May 2008, 07:03am
#1
by abdulyool
Tel-Aviv Israel
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 98

abbasali vs me he won
 how shuold the black continue

want to learn


16th May 2008, 07:07am
#2
by Frankdawg
Parma Ohio United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 93
E5
16th May 2008, 08:13am
#3
by Torkil
Germany
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 242

Hmmm, very difficult question.

Black has got the two bishops against White's doubled pawns, but White's develoment looks much more natural and the d6 pawn is a weakness. Also Black can walk into some tacticals if he isn't careful, so my overall impression is that White is already a little better.

Your options as Black:

-I don't like 13...e5 because it makes both the d5 square and the d6 pawn eternally weak, and renders the g7 bishop bad along with it.

-13...Bc6 would be desirable to prepare a d6-d5 advance, but fails to 14.Nxe6 fxe6 15.Nxe6, when White gets two pawns and a rook for his two knights.

-13...Qe7 might be possible, but it doesn't help the d6-d5 advance, as a subsequent pawn exchange (exd5 exd5) would open the e-file and expose the queen to rook attacks.

-13...Qc7 comes to mind then, but a bishop soon appearing on f4 might pose similar problems, maybe even force you to play e6-e5 anyway.

-13...Qb6 might be playable, but it doesn't make too much sense as it invites a4-a5 by White.

-The most interesting option seems to be 13...Ne8, protecting d6 and also putting pressure on the g5 knight. You can continue with freeing breaks on both sides of the board: b7-b5 or f7-f5 come to mind, perhaps later again followed by d6-d5 at last.


16th May 2008, 09:37am
#4
by Escapest_Pawn
MISSOULA,MT United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 448

I agree with e5 opening difficulties as it leaves a d5 "hole" for white's Nd5, but I see nothing wrong with being a bit agressive and grabbing a pawn.

13....h6 and assume

14 Nf3 Nxe4 is a strong center pawn you will probably have to bring the knight back where it came from, seemingly losing tempos, but you now have a solid position. I would get Bc6 quickly

If he moves 14 Nh3, you don't want to grab the pawn imediately, but it is a weak square for a knight and gives you other play


16th May 2008, 01:16pm
#5
by thepitbull
Baltimore United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 49
I tend to agree with torkil's comments on what the best continuance for this position for black.  I do, however, like the idea of Qb6 with the plan of attacking the c4 pawn via Qb4 should white play a5, or even maneuvering over to c6 just to get a queen influence in the center.  If white doesn't play a5, then perhaps a later d5 can come in to play now that the rooks are connected.  Black's d-pawn is hanging, but it's possible for black to set a trap should white take it.  This is a very good question, and I'm not sure what are the best options.  But I do like Qb6 with a good potential of opening the a1-h8 diagonal for black's bishop.
16th May 2008, 02:41pm
#6
by Torkil
Germany
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 242
Arrgh, this is a typical example of chess blindness. My comments are still valid on a general basis, but Escapest_Pawn's 13...h6, forcing White to misplace his knight by 14.Nh3 looks like a good path to follow, too. I frankly admit I missed that the e-pawn would be lost after 14.Nf3??
16th May 2008, 04:59pm
#7
by Escapest_Pawn
MISSOULA,MT United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 448

Thank you for recognizing me, Torkil, and I have learned to respect your postings on daily puzzle. 

I should have mentioned that the reason you may not want to take e4 imediately if 14 Nh3 Nxe4

 15 f3 Nf6

16 Qxd6 compromises your own structure.  However:

14 Nh3 Bc6 (or Qc7) and you are solid and happy.

A main reason to kick his knight back is not so much to win the e pawn as to free your white square bishop from its e6 obligation.


16th May 2008, 09:22pm
#8
by keithjoshua777
Gen. Trias, Cavite Philippines
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22
try h6 then, when the knight retrait then take the pawn in the center with your knight.
16th May 2008, 09:31pm
#9
by keithjoshua777
Gen. Trias, Cavite Philippines
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22
Just do what i said, try pawn to e6, knight retrait, take the pawn in the center with your knight, then if pause his fpawn better check the king with your bishop as a piece blocked, then move your white bishop to b7 for position to long diagonal to h1 for kingside attacked. Position your 2 rook side by side or move your queen to c7 and your king to h7 to post your rook at h8. Solidify your your pawn in the center or move your bpawn forward and you have a better endgame. Attack his doubled pawn by skermishing your knight. or make use of the open file.
16th May 2008, 09:33pm
#10
by keithjoshua777
Gen. Trias, Cavite Philippines
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22
i mean h6, sorry topograpical error.
17th May 2008, 01:37am
#11
by Sarthe
Oklahoma United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 162

Well, positionally Bc6 for Black is the correct move when he gets the best of the game.  For instance, 13..., Bc6 14. f3, Nd2, 15. Ngh3, Nb3 and something must give in White's game.  The fear of 14. Nxe6 is unfounded and leaves White in bad straits after 14..., fxe6 15. Nxe6, Qe8! and now 16. Nxg7 is relatively best for White, since 16. Nxf8 leads to 16..., Qxe4 17. f3, Qxc4 and White's game is hanging by a thread.

 

Black definately has the better position here.


 

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