Why did he resign?

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8th April 2008, 12:48am
#1
by sb3700
Melbourne Australia
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 95

I got to this position in a game when he resigned.

 

What i see happening is: 

 

 is there some way i can force a win?


8th April 2008, 02:29am
#2
by 350mde
tarn&garonne france France
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 76
I cannot see any forced win for white.  on the contrary ; after ...Bxf4 I would rather play black ; he is a pawn up and the white king is exposed. he's just got to be careful against back rang threats.
8th April 2008, 02:57am
#3
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2082
He probably resigned before he saw your move.  He thought you would play Qxe5 leaving you better.
8th April 2008, 03:02am
#4
by sb3700
Melbourne Australia
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 95

Out of interest, how Is 15 Qxe5 a better position? After 15 ... Qxe5 16 Rxe5 Rxd2, Black is a bishop up


8th April 2008, 03:05am
#5
by Kingfisher
zagreb Croatia
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1212
What was his rating? If he has poor tactical vision, he may have missed the knight guarding e8.
8th April 2008, 03:12am
#6
by Kingfisher
zagreb Croatia
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1212
sb3700 wrote:

Out of interest, how Is 15 Qxe5 a better position? After 15 ... Qxe5 16 Rxe5 Rxd2, Black is a bishop up


 And after that, Bxc6! gives white the better position.

 


8th April 2008, 03:58am
#7
by sb3700
Melbourne Australia
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 95

I dunno, the positions are pretty equal, with boths sides having a bad rook and nearly equal material. The white king is open, while the black king is trapped on the back rank (for now).

 

His rating was low 1400s 


8th April 2008, 04:22am
#8
by 1red5a
Cainta Rizal, Philippines
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 225

 


same in here

can't see any sign of winning for white

 

Laughing



8th April 2008, 04:28am
#9
by sb3700
Melbourne Australia
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 95

actually, just checked out his profile (click on "My Complete Profile") and it seems that he has closed his account. Maybe he resigned because he was leaving the site... 


8th April 2008, 04:53am
#10
by grolich
Israel Israel
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 234
Kingfisher wrote: sb3700 wrote:

Out of interest, how Is 15 Qxe5 a better position? After 15 ... Qxe5 16 Rxe5 Rxd2, Black is a bishop up


 And after that, Bxc6! gives white the better position.

 


Not really.  15...Qxe5 16.Rxe5 Rxd2 17.Bxc6 Rb2 18.gxf4 Rxc2 black is just better. (18.Rae1 Bg4 is even worse for white, he probably has to take on f4).

 

Black is the only one who can hope to win this. 


8th April 2008, 04:59am
#11
by grolich
Israel Israel
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 234

The funny thing is, black is MUCH better in the final position (Qxe5 WAS white's best move, even if black is better there).

 

15.Bxf4? Bxf4 16.gxf4 Bf5 

Black is a pawn up, his pieces can become more active (thanks to the ...b4 idea in many lines), and has the safer king. I have no idea why in the world he decided to resign.

 

 


8th April 2008, 05:00am
#12
by sb3700
Melbourne Australia
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 95
maybe because he was leaving the site....
8th April 2008, 05:22am
#13
by silentfilmstar13
Medford, OR United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2082
This was what I had in mind.  I didn't look at it much before.  You're right, Black is better.  But I think that this is an improvement on the position you started with.
8th April 2008, 05:58am
#14
by grolich
Israel Israel
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 234

silentfilmstar13, just look a couple more moves down your suggested line:

 

6.Be4 Rxb2 7.gxf4

(I guess that using the pin was your original idea. Unfortunately: 7.Bf5? Bxf5! 8.Rxb8 f3 and it looks like game over.

(9.Rf1 Rg2+ 10.Kh1 Rxa2, or

9. Rd8 Bh3 10.Rdd1 f2+ 11.Kh1 b4 - threatening things like creating a second passed pawn on the queenside, or, more importantly, maneuvers such as Bc8-b7+. White can't move.))

 

Back to 7.gxf4 The pin along the 8th rank may look troubling, but 7...Re2 this counter pin threatens f5.

8.f5 (forced, as an exchange of rooks after Bc6 is fatal for white) b5! ignoring the pin altogether. I can't find any way for white to use it or make it hurt black in any way.

9.Rc1 a5 (the counterpin really helps.. Black looks like he should win this).

 

 


8th April 2008, 06:24am
#15
by Zildjian19
Twin Cities, MN United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 76

I don't know.


 

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