1st real try at the Sicilian

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13th January 2008, 02:16pm
#1
by broze
Bath England
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 193

This is my most successful Sicilian game, and the highest rated opponent I've beaten, ending in a nice rook sac.

13th January 2008, 02:17pm
#2
by broze
Bath England
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 193
Of course, I played black.
13th January 2008, 02:22pm
#3
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1612
4....Bg4? should have lost to 5 Bxf7+ Kxf7  6 Ng5+  and  7 Qxg4
13th January 2008, 02:31pm
#4
by benws
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1332
Reb is right. Look out for those tactical possibilities. That doesn't make your win very good. plus your opponent could have put up more resistance after 37. Kc1.
13th January 2008, 02:40pm
#5
by MolotovRuss
Hampshire England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 248
Ah, Reb's right. I was impressed with your play until reb pointed that out :P
13th January 2008, 04:40pm
#6
by Fotoman
Philippines
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 583
Reb wrote: 4....Bg4? should have lost to 5 Bxf7+ Kxf7  6 Ng5+  and  7 Qxg4

 Well, now that you dashed his ego after he was so proud of his game I am sure that helped alot. I guess thats what it takes to be NM, huh Reb?

Broze: Errors are ok, learn from them. Let me turn this into something you can learn from:

Try to develop knights before bishops and support pieces before you fling them into enemy territory. Always be aware of the f7 (or f2 square) because sacrifices can expose your king. Pins are only as good as being forced to exchange the bishop for a knight, most of the time that's bad because a bishop is a slightly better piece.

On the positive side:

Your handling on the queenside was consistent with overall closed positions for black in the Sicilian. Try to control the dark squares play to the open (or semi-open) c file. 


13th January 2008, 04:51pm
#7
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1612
Fotoman wrote: Reb wrote: 4....Bg4? should have lost to 5 Bxf7+ Kxf7  6 Ng5+  and  7 Qxg4

 Well, now that you dashed his ego after he was so proud of his game I am sure that helped alot. I guess thats what it takes to be NM, huh Reb?

Broze: Errors are ok, learn from them. Let me turn this into something you can learn from:

Try to develop knights before bishops and support pieces before you fling them into enemy territory. Always be aware of the f7 (or f2 square) because sacrifices can expose your king. Pins are only as good as being forced to exchange the bishop for a knight, most of the time that's bad because a bishop is a slightly better piece.

On the positive side:

Your handling on the queenside was consistent with overall closed positions for black in the Sicilian. Try to control the dark squares play to the open (or semi-open) c file. 


If his ego is that easily "dashed" he shouldnt play chess for chess is a very cruel game. Its better to have someone point it out here than for it to happen to him in an important game. Pointing it out now might make him aware of it the next time such a position appears on the board.

13th January 2008, 05:00pm
#8
by dalmatinac
Croatia
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 3147
4...Bg4? you were lucky he didn't see 5.Bxf7   but it was good game Broze.Bravo!
14th January 2008, 04:52am
#9
by Fotoman
Philippines
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 583
Reb wrote: Fotoman wrote: Reb wrote: 4....Bg4? should have lost to 5 Bxf7+ Kxf7  6 Ng5+  and  7 Qxg4

 Well, now that you dashed his ego after he was so proud of his game I am sure that helped alot. I guess thats what it takes to be NM, huh Reb?

Broze: Errors are ok, learn from them. Let me turn this into something you can learn from:

Try to develop knights before bishops and support pieces before you fling them into enemy territory. Always be aware of the f7 (or f2 square) because sacrifices can expose your king. Pins are only as good as being forced to exchange the bishop for a knight, most of the time that's bad because a bishop is a slightly better piece.

On the positive side:

Your handling on the queenside was consistent with overall closed positions for black in the Sicilian. Try to control the dark squares play to the open (or semi-open) c file. 


If his ego is that easily "dashed" he shouldnt play chess for chess is a very cruel game. Its better to have someone point it out here than for it to happen to him in an important game. Pointing it out now might make him aware of it the next time such a position appears on the board.


It is obvious to a higher ranking player, but not to a lower ranking player. Hitting them over their head (while not telling them why their moves are errors) is more likely to dash enthusiasm than teach anything. But if your ego is more important than theirs, go ahead and use your approach. If you want to teach and motivate, I think my methods are more likely to inspire than yours, Reb.

 

14th January 2008, 05:18am
#10
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1612
Fotoman wrote: Reb wrote: Fotoman wrote: Reb wrote: 4....Bg4? should have lost to 5 Bxf7+ Kxf7  6 Ng5+  and  7 Qxg4

 Well, now that you dashed his ego after he was so proud of his game I am sure that helped alot. I guess thats what it takes to be NM, huh Reb?

Broze: Errors are ok, learn from them. Let me turn this into something you can learn from:

Try to develop knights before bishops and support pieces before you fling them into enemy territory. Always be aware of the f7 (or f2 square) because sacrifices can expose your king. Pins are only as good as being forced to exchange the bishop for a knight, most of the time that's bad because a bishop is a slightly better piece.

On the positive side:

Your handling on the queenside was consistent with overall closed positions for black in the Sicilian. Try to control the dark squares play to the open (or semi-open) c file. 


If his ego is that easily "dashed" he shouldnt play chess for chess is a very cruel game. Its better to have someone point it out here than for it to happen to him in an important game. Pointing it out now might make him aware of it the next time such a position appears on the board.


It is obvious to a higher ranking player, but not to a lower ranking player. Hitting them over their head (while not telling them why their moves are errors) is more likely to dash enthusiasm than teach anything. But if your ego is more important than theirs, go ahead and use your approach. If you want to teach and motivate, I think my methods are more likely to inspire than yours, Reb.

 


If you want to let a player be proud of a game that is riddled with mistakes and not point them out then you shouldnt teach chess . I also suggest if you have a bone to pick with me be a man about it and dont take swipes at me in these forums. You are the only one complaining about my pointing out his error, noone else. Perhaps we should let the author of the thread speak for himself ? I have some experience teaching chess and more than 30 years experience in otb tournament play. What are your "qualifications" to scold me for my methods?

14th January 2008, 12:30pm
#11
by broze
Bath England
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 193
Wow guys thanks for taking an interest!!! I partly agree with Reb, those mistakes need to be pointed out and I should imagine that that is a pretty common mistake to capitaliseon so thanks, but I am also looking for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and marking my positive aspects of play as well as shooting down my mistakes can be just as helpful- (a good teacher would know this). Thanks for taking a look.
14th January 2008, 12:32pm
#12
by broze
Bath England
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 193
benws wrote: Reb is right. Look out for those tactical possibilities. That doesn't make your win very good. plus your opponent could have put up more resistance after 37. Kc1.

Also I don't understand what you mean by this benws, 37. . .Qb2# is checkmate for me.

14th January 2008, 12:51pm
#13
by hicetnunc
Neuilly-sur-Seine France
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 515

Welcome in Sicilian land Broze and congratulations for your fine rook sacrifice ! Laughing

However, as Reb pointed, be warned that some white Sicilian players may get your scalp on the road as Sicilians are sharp ! Smile


14th January 2008, 12:59pm
#14
by hondoham
North Carolina USA and Honduras
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 513

I did not find Reb's initial comments to be condescending or inappropriate at all, but text messages are commonly misinterpreted by the reader.... so maybe .... I could be wrong. Wink

 

14th January 2008, 01:02pm
#15
by broze
Bath England
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 193
Neither did I.  Perhaps fotoman meant benws.  But thanks fotoman, I also understand that the Sicilian is an opening rich with theory so perhaps a bit risky.
14th January 2008, 01:08pm
#16
by Smartattack
Portugal
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 582

Reb just did construtive comments, i see no harm there.Reb i have some games posted, i would thank you if u could comment some.Notice they are all blitz, so quality is not the best

 

14th January 2008, 02:38pm
#17
by mxdplay4
mids UK England
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 695

Its good to know you can play once the game gets going.  However, if you make bad mistakes in the opening, you wont get there against better players.  So Reb is absolutely right to point out the mistake and I am sure that Broze takes it as constructive.  I can't see the problem.

Ps nice finish

14th January 2008, 07:10pm
#18
by FREEPAWN
sambod Cambodia
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 103
All the less GREAT GAME! Your rook sack showed some real skill!
 

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