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Fool's Mate Declined (Seven Times)


  • 24 months ago · Quote · #1

    JBades6310

    So here's a little background:

    I've been teaching a friend of mine about chess recently, and a few times I've advised him over his shoulder while he played on his account. I think this is a decent way to teach him opening theory. His rating has been inflated (2-300 pts) from only playing games with my guidance, so we wanted to drop his rating a bit before playing another game. To that end, we were resigning games after the first move. We thought a fun way to drop his rating would be to set up the fool's mate as white. However, this proved to be more difficult than we had anticipated:

    The fact that a ~1450 player declined the fool's mate seven times to me was peculiar, not to mention hysterical. I hope you enjoy it too.

    For in-depth analysis of the fool's mate, see Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fool%27s_mate

    After he declined initially, we sent this link in the chatbox, to no reply. Each subsequent decline, we sent the link again. After the fourth we asked, "Are you aware of the fool's mate?" at which point he disabled chat. The fact that he was a US-based, presumably English-speaking player only added to the oddity and hilarity of the "game."

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #2

    shraavanchess2000

    Think about it this way. You would normally want to win, so your opponent would normally want you to lose. If your aim in this game was to lose the game and your opponent did make you lose so easily, you would actually win because you achieved your aim! So, your opponent wanted to "defeat" your purpose by not checkmating you so easily. When you purposely allowed the mate for seven straight moves and sent the link four times, he probably knew you were trying to lose on purpose and just wanted to make you "suffer."

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #3

    baddogno

    It's a funny post, but of course you realize you should be giving your friend advice only in unrated games?  I'm not going to use the word "ch**ting" because that would probably lock the thread, but that is what it was.  

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #4

    Elubas

    shraavanchess2000: but this does not apply to move 2, correct? :)

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #5

    shraavanchess2000

    @Elubas: Maybe it can. I mean, it won't be impossible to checkmate sometime later a player who allows the Fool's Mate, right? Either the player is just so bad at chess or is purposely trying to lose. Either way, checkmating the opponent shouldn't be a problem.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #6

    JBades6310

    @shraavanchess2000 haha good points, he must have seen right through our plan! but in actuality, I sincerely believe he just overlooked the mate seven times in a row :)

    @baddogno I see what you're saying, I didn't think of the idea to play unrated games, but we definitely will in the future. thanks for the advice

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #7

    shraavanchess2000

    @JBades6310: If he really didn't see the mates, I have no clue how he got his 1457 rating.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #8

    wbilfc

    Probably just didn't want to be party to fiddling a players rating!!

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #9

    Math0t

    JBades6310 wrote:

     I think this is a decent way to teach him opening theory.

    Reading your post I assume there where no bad intentions, but playing rated games with guidance, resigning after the first move and sandbagging are not considered to be decent techniques.... 

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #10

    Trapper4

    Wow! I was curious to see what opening shraavanchess2000's avatar was, and it turns I saw his name and I actually played him in a local tournament.... ._.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #11

    shraavanchess2000

    @ Trapper4: Would you mind giving me the tournament we played in? Was it a Knights Quest, since I see that you're a Bernard Parham fan and he frequently plays at the Knights Quests? BTW, my favorite opening is the Evans Gambit. I love to conduct miniatures with it. I also like the Chekhover Sicilian (maybe you faced it!?), but the main lines turn out to be little more than boring equality, so I chose the Evans as my avatar. Besides, the Evans has far larger cult following than the Chekhover.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #12

    garykasparov14

    hahhahahah

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #13

    Trapper4

    @shraavanchess Yep it was at knights quest :) I was black, and you used Scotch Gambit on me and I played terribly in the opening :) But it ended up to be a draw. :P

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #14

    Trapper4

    Oh, and I dont really use the parham attack much, (definately not in tournaments) Im just a fan of him, but my group is inactive now...

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #15

    shraavanchess2000

    @ Trapper4: Was it the 77th Knights Quest in May of 2012?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #16

    Trapper4

    @shraavanchess2000 Yes :)

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #17

    shraavanchess2000

    @ Trapper4: Now I know you! BTW, you could have won our game easily at the end by just pushing the c-pawn to c2. I was preparing to take the loss when you lost the pawn and eventually offered the draw while you had the only pawn in a minor piece endgame where I had the knight and you had the bishop (I think). You could have still tried to push for the win using that pawn, since you had the bishop. I was lucky!

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #18

    Trapper4

    @shraavanchess2000 Yeah, I was under time pressure (One minute left) but I dont think it was because of that, I think it was because im way below average for endgames. But like you said, it was an obvious move to push the c-pawn and get the easy promotion. Oh well. Now I know next time. :)

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #19

    shraavanchess2000

    @Trapper4: Don't worry, I'm bad at endgames, too. Which is why I choose aggressive openings and try to end the game decisively in the middlegame.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #20

    Trapper4

    @shraavanchess2000 That sounds like a good idea for me...What openings do you suggest for me? I like opening with e4, and I also like Evan's Gambit, I like alot of openings...


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