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How could i lose with such a beautiful trap?


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #1

    theidoogy

    I can't belive i lost this game :(

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #2

    solskytz

    I thought you had a losing position pretty much all the time after 12. Qxd8+ as you are always down material, black has all the time good alternatives and is never in any danger of losing any part of his advantage (yes, even after Nf7+). 

    What was wrong with a simple 12. c3?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #3

    theidoogy

    solskytz wrote:

    I thought you had a losing position pretty much all the time after 12. Qxd8+ as you are always down material, black has all the time good alternatives and is never in any danger of losing any part of his advantage (yes, even after Nf7+). 

    What was wrong with a simple 12. c3?

    I saw its offensive potential, and i thought to try something interesting, even though i could (and i did) lose the game. Look at the moves after Qxd8+, i think it's very interesting and i preafre to have an interesting losing game than winning a boring game.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #4

    solskytz

    You do have some initiative, but black is well protected and the result is never in doubt. 

    I understand your desire for adventure :-) and you probably should play several games like that, where you're clearly losing but can still 'badger' your opponent for 10 or 15 more moves until you run out of steam... you'd actually be in good company, as just in the recent London Classics tournament, Gawain Jones lost exactly such a game to Magnus Carlsen, sacrificing a queen for two minor pieces on move 18 and attacking and pressing for some 12 moves after that, in what looked pretty convincing actually...

    so if you believe in it, certainly, do it. 

    I suspect that had you seen 12. c3 during the actual game, you would seek your adventures in that variation, which still promises an equal game. 

    Where you don't see 12. c3, then you think that either your queen must go for the rook on d8, or you drop the knight on a4... so you say - okay, if I have to go down, at least do it with a blaze! Of course the opponent can go wrong and give you chances - and he actually played a bit imprecisely and let you win that exchange on h8...

    By the way I'm Israeli too :-) Just living in Europe. 

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #5

    Morgrim7

    I must be misunderstanding you. After you took his rook with your queen, you were consistently behind on material and your position was not that great.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #6

    205thsq

    Am i missing something? you could have won his queen with 5:Bb5 right?!

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #7

    solskytz

    Good catch :-) but he wasn't talking about that...

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #9

    yeres30

    pfren wrote:
    205thsq wrote:

    Am i missing something? you could have won his queen with 5:Bb5 right?!

    Nah, this was just another nice trap: the bishop is not well placed on c6...

    Indeed White missed winning the Black Q two times: 5.Bb5 instead of Nf3 and 6.Bb5 instead of 6.d4

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #10

    varelse1

    Surprised

    Here I was fighting the urge to post something smart-asstic in that spot, but listened to my conscience, (barely, wanted on Santa's nice list). Then Pfren comes along and puts something 10 times worse!!

    LOl

    (I shloulda done it myself. Softens the blow coming from a 1600)Laughing

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #11

    stephen_33

    A trap is only beautiful when it works!  12.Qxd8+ was impetuous - you just didn't have your pieces positioned sufficiently well to carry it off & going back a couple of moves, 10.dxe5 should have resulted in  10.. Rxd1 & Black comes out a bishop ahead!

    And there's 19...Qg4 which is winning for Black. But to be fair, it was a 10-minute game & there's little enough time to think at that speed. Might be worth your while to practice in Tactics Trainer to sharpen up your tactical skills?

    yeres30, you really need to look up the meaning of the word 'irony'.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #12

    yeres30




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