How do we know a game has transposed from the opening to the middlegame?

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4th July 2009, 01:29am
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by turn
Kuala Lumpur Malaysia
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May I ask how we determine that a game has transposed from the opening to the middlegame?

4th July 2009, 01:54am
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by kco
Perth Australia
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We don't, well is only a theory, once the king has castled, most of your pieces are active ready to start exchanging/attacking maybe that is when is in the middlegame stage.

4th July 2009, 02:02am
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by Niven42
West Lafayette, Indiana United States
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There's no perfect answer to this.  Most openings are based on solid theory about 10 moves long (both white/black), but there are quite a few openings that have been thoroughly explored up to 30 or 40 moves in.

 

Wikipedia, the ever-knowing source for anything you want to know, cites the following criteria for what you want to accomplish during the opening phase:

  1. Development: One of the main aims of the opening is to mobilize the pieces on useful squares where they will have impact on the game.
  2. Control of the center .
  3. King safety: usually via castling.
  4. Prevention of pawn weakness: striving to avoid the creation of pawn weaknesses such as isolated, doubled and backward pawns.
  5. Piece coordination: As each player mobilizes his or her pieces, each attempts to assure that they are working harmoniously towards the control of key squares.
  6. Create positions in which the player is more comfortable than the opponent: i.e., Transposition.

 

As one or more of these criteria are met, the game becomes more developed and moves further away from the strict opening sense.

 

One of the rules-of-thumb that I like to use is whether or not any rook has moved (in a non-castling move) or been taken.  This is usually a clear sign that the game is no longer in an opening stage.

4th July 2009, 02:13am
#4
by turn
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But what if the Rook hasn't moved...or been taken during an ENTIRE game?!

4th July 2009, 02:47am
#5
by rich
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After 14 moves.

4th July 2009, 03:07am
#6
by turn
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rich, is that from your experience or something? Or did you find it in books?

4th July 2009, 03:09am
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by kco
Perth Australia
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he is just b.s. you turn

4th July 2009, 03:11am
#8
by turn
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oh.......really?

 

So do you know the answer? If you don't, feel free to post your opinion...

4th July 2009, 03:14am
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by rich
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i heard it on a chess video.

4th July 2009, 03:19am
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by kco
Perth Australia
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which one and who said that ?

4th July 2009, 03:23am
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by turn
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But does anyone have a more accurate answer?

4th July 2009, 03:30am
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by rich
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4th July 2009, 03:33am
#13
by kco
Perth Australia
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Middle-game, the phase of the game generally beginning between the 11th and 20th moves that follow the opening. However, the change from one to the other is often imperceptible, with no clear demarcation.

source: The Oxford Companion to Chess, David hooper and Kenneth Whyld

4th July 2009, 03:37am
#14
by turn
Kuala Lumpur Malaysia
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kco, good answer.

4th July 2009, 03:39am
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by kco
Perth Australia
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thank you

4th July 2009, 05:17am
#16
by mkirk
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This is why we should not study chess as three seperate parts, it is one whole game and should not be arbitrarily classified as such.

I kind of prefer to use 'the early part of the game' instead of 'opening'.

4th July 2009, 05:40am
#17
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
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Niven42 wrote:

There's no perfect answer to this.  Most openings are based on solid theory about 10 moves long (both white/black), but there are quite a few openings that have been thoroughly explored up to 30 or 40 moves in.

 

Wikipedia, the ever-knowing source for anything you want to know, cites the following criteria for what you want to accomplish during the opening phase:

Development: One of the main aims of the opening is to mobilize the pieces on useful squares where they will have impact on the game. Control of the center . King safety: usually via castling. Prevention of pawn weakness: striving to avoid the creation of pawn weaknesses such as isolated, doubled and backward pawns. Piece coordination: As each player mobilizes his or her pieces, each attempts to assure that they are working harmoniously towards the control of key squares. Create positions in which the player is more comfortable than the opponent: i.e., Transposition.

 

As one or more of these criteria are met, the game becomes more developed and moves further away from the strict opening sense.

 

One of the rules-of-thumb that I like to use is whether or not any rook has moved (in a non-castling move) or been taken.  This is usually a clear sign that the game is no longer in an opening stage.


 At move 30 you are certainly no longer in the opening. Yes, some opening books go to move 30 and beyond but are certainly in middlegame territory by that point...  this is confusing for some. I would say that more than 90% of games are in middlegame territory by move 15 or so. As a rule of thumb when you are looking where to place your rooks then you are in the middlegame phase, more often than not. I think kco's post is quite accurate and I agree with the definition there. I would say an opening ends somewhere between move 10 to 15 and the middlegame begins.

5th July 2009, 02:14am
#18
by turn
Kuala Lumpur Malaysia
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Member Points: 1884
mkirk wrote:

This is why we should not study chess as three seperate parts, it is one whole game and should not be arbitrarily classified as such.

I kind of prefer to use 'the early part of the game' instead of 'opening'.


Is the opening also referred to ad the beginning, then?

5th July 2009, 09:46am
#19
by steevmartuns
Pennsylvania United States
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The middlegame is entered when the goal of one or both players changes from "I need to develop my pieces and connect my Rooks" to "I need to come up with a plan of action now." Once someone has connected the Rooks, you're probably in the middlegame. And if you're playing with no plan after you connect the Rooks, ah, that really doesn't work so well once you get into the 1600s.

5th July 2009, 10:27am
#20
by e4forme
Tennessee United States
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turn wrote:

But does anyone have a more accurate answer?


 Sure... After 15 moves.

lol, I believe the Middlegame starts after you develop all the Pieces and are striving to gain the advantage strategically or positionally.

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