Refutation to the bongcloud!

12 months ago · Quote · #1
ChristianSoldier007

I have refuted the bongcloud! See, I beat an 1900! Its an automatic win for black! Of course if white doesnt play 2.Ke2, he loses tempo and Ke7 is even better! Automatic win for black!
12 months ago · Quote · #2
slide_checkmate

It's awful sportsmanship to checkmate your opponent just because you're *losing* the race...
12 months ago · Quote · #3
ClavierCavalier

Wonderful. Are you white? The flipped board looks like it, but the ME vs. 1900 Player says white.

By the way, people played very differently in the early 20th century.
12 months ago · Quote · #4
slide_checkmate

I should try this in a game some time...
12 months ago · Quote · #5
slide_checkmate

Maybe on live chess, 1|0 lightning.
12 months ago · Quote · #6
jetfighter13

I remember that line from a famous Bongcloud game that was played in the early 15th century. instead of your g6 black played Nf6
12 months ago · Quote · #7
Ocky

The Bongcloud does not work at all!
12 months ago · Quote · #8
Samsch

Wow, what a fail. lol
12 months ago · Quote · #9
jetfighter13

well anything can work in bullet and CC.

anyway the mainline Bongcloud is

1.e4 e5 2. Ke2(pocketcloud2.5 evaluates this position as +.57 but it has been know to lie about anything that is not divisible by .2,.4 and .5 I would say that this is too early to evaluate a position) d5(preparing a pin) 3.exd5 Bg4+ 4.f3 Bh4 5.Ke3 Ke7( and pocketcloud2.5 now analyses the position as += by about .58 but still, its a negligable advantage for white)
12 months ago · Quote · #10
AnthonyCG

alexlaw wrote:

what do you mean does not work?

in move 2 black already equalized

3. ke3 is to release the bishop and queen.

4. qh5 threatens qf5 ke7 and qxe5# ...g6, cleverly attacking the queen and preventing a check from f5.

5. qh6, sacrificing the queen to deflect the bishop's duty from f8. obviously, spending a tempo to move the queen back is terrible, or white's development will lag behind. unfortunately, black has to take on h6. ...bxh6

6. kd3 to move away from the check

7. kc4, moving the king into an aggressive position. this is met by d5!, and white is forced morally to kc5.

8. kc5 white is near to victory. the white king is only 3 ranks away from winning the game. qe7? is a blunder because it ends the game immediately. Lets take a look, black's king is on the 6th rank and has to move 5 more, while white is nearly there already. the novelty resulting from qh6! makes the game clearly won.
12 months ago · Quote · #11
jetfighter13

here is my analysis

missed some of the later analysis, but blacks game broke down after g6.
12 months ago · Quote · #12
jetfighter13

lol BONG-a-matures, or is it BONG-amatures

eitherway, I would say he has potential in the BC, just needs practice. you need to check out my Bongcloud immortal. it is a doozy of a combo at the end^ its in the Bongcloud Society forum in a handfull of forums, even the Opening book one, I also think its in one I started in honor of April 20th
12 months ago · Quote · #13
felj

Your King is barely deployed. Yet the White King dominates from a central outpost, with clear lines of attack to the f7 and b7 weaknesses. White's sacrifice has bought him tremendous compensation in the form of piece coordination. And you claim to have won?