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The Operetta Game


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #1

    Dimitrije_Mandic

    Yesterday I finished a game. I was playing an open, attacking game and it gave me the creeps. I made a couple of moves that it seemed to me Morphy once played, precisely in his famous "Opera Game". I played through both games and I was shocked - all of the moves up to Black's sixth move were the same! Check it out yourselves:

    I hope you like it! (Why do I always say that?)
  • 4 years ago · Quote · #2

    Dimitrije_Mandic

    Oh, yeah, I forgot: comments are VERY welcome!

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #3

    DimKnight

    This has actually happened to me a bunch of times over the years. Qb3 comes as quite a shock to some people.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #4

    peldan

    Dimitrije_Mandic,

    in your game 11. .. hxg5 12. Nxg5 can just be answered by Qxg5+

    Also, you claim 8. .. Qxg5 leads to mate. But I can't find anything after 9. Bxf7+ Kd8

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #5

    alvechurchpete

    peldan wrote:

    Dimitrije_Mandic,

    in your game 11. .. hxg5 12. Nxg5 can just be answered by Qxg5+

    Also, you claim 8. .. Qxg5 leads to mate. But I can't find anything after 9. Bxf7+ Kd8


     9. ... Kd8 leads to 10. Qd5+, followed by 11. Qxa1 and White has a material advantage and, unless Black plays 10. ... Be6, a forced mate.

     

     

    So 8. Bg5 was actually quite a sound offer and a good move!

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #6

    peldan

    Okay, I admit I missed the check and Qxa1 but in the variation where black plays Qc1+ and black answers Ke2 maybe black has a chance in Qxc2+. The game might continue Kf3 f6 and it seems like black might be able to gain some time developing while attacking the white f7-bishop or perhaps taking on b2 and threatening Qxa1. I haven't used an engine though so I probably missed something and I don't really think that black has compensation, I'm just saying there's still some play in my opinion ;)

     

    Still the comment that 8. .. Qxg5 leads to a quick mate seems to be a bit off an exaggeration. I mean if the line I just gave fails completely, then you showed that black can at least get away with losing a rook and pawn (and shattering his king's position) for a knight :)

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #7

    alvechurchpete

    I think it's my turn to backtrack on my analysis and say you could be right about Qxc2+. Kf3 would lead to c6, cutting the White queen's influence over the long diagonal and protect the knight on b1. Qd3+ would follow with a quick mate....for Black! Ke3 would also lead to a quick mate and therefore White's best answer to Qxc2+ would probably be Ke1 and accepting a draw by repetition.

    This just goes to show the beauty behind chess with the counter-attack and complications that only the likes of Kasparov could calculate with accuracy over the board!

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #8

    Dimitrije_Mandic

    Ah, yes, peldan, well...

    As you can see, the post is a bit old, and now, when I returned to it, I spotted several mistakes such as spelling errors ('realised' instead of 'realized'), general meaning errors ("Now an immediate Rd8# is threatened, and White must do something about it!", when infact I meant Black must do something about it), and also inaccurate analysis, possibly, although the case in question was my slight overexaggerating. (Anyways, I corrected the above mistakes now.) What I meant is, if Black doesn't defend by playing absolutely the best moves at his disposal (which should also leave White some advantage anyway), he is very likely to be mated quickly. Kinda ridiculous of me to make such approximations, but hey, those were my beginnings, and as you can see, no one even cared, and that includes me! Laughing So, here's some additional analysis to make things clearer:

    P.S. Glad you joined the analysis, alvechurchpete, but you don't need to bang your head so hard from the very beginning at all costs, I think I've got it pretty much covered! Wink
  • 3 years ago · Quote · #9

    Dimitrije_Mandic

    OK, for analysis fanatics we've got two main positions so far: one after 8... Qxg5 9. Bxf7+ Kd8 10. Qd5+ Bd6 (the HEAVY one), and one after the proposed main variation ending with 15. Nc4+ (should be easier). The first one is almost surreally unclear, and we're looking for the best play for both sides, while I'm pretty sure White wins in the second one, although I'm interested in seeing the best endgames of all the winning branches. Of course, the whole point is not to use any engines for analysis! Have fun! Smile

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #10

    Dimitrije_Mandic

    Also, in the main variation, Black isn't forced to move the Queen, but after blocking the d-file with either of his Knights instead (14... Bd6 blocks the Black Queen's access to e7, and should be inferior), play should just transpose, so I left those branches out. That's if I'm correct, but if you see an important line actually helping Black after blocking the d-file on move 14, then do inform me, please!

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #11

    jp_23

    alvechurchpete wrote:
    peldan wrote:

    Dimitrije_Mandic,

    in your game 11. .. hxg5 12. Nxg5 can just be answered by Qxg5+

    Also, you claim 8. .. Qxg5 leads to mate. But I can't find anything after 9. Bxf7+ Kd8


     9. ... Kd8 leads to 10. Qd5+, followed by 11. Qxa1 and White has a material advantage and, unless Black plays 10. ... Be6, a forced mate.

     

     

    So 8. Bg5 was actually quite a sound offer and a good move!


    In the second parenthesis of the first blue moves, wouldn't 5 Qxa8# be better?


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