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What do you think about the Grunfeld Defense?


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #1

    EternalChess

    If I can get opinions of players rated 2000 and lower, what do you think of it (if you play it or play against it). I am looking for a new opening as black, because I wasn't satisfied with my old one, and I am looking for something very complicated/sharp. I am fine if white deviates from the Grunfeld (Nf3 etc). 

    What is your opinion?



  • 2 years ago · Quote · #2

    UsedUsername

    I feel that the Grunfield's opening lines are dangerous for Black, usually giving White an advantage, but I find that if Black survives he gets a fantastic endgame. If you play the Grunfield, you need to know the lines, which fits your description of sharp. Also, sharpen up your endgame, you don't want to scre up a good endgame.

    Coming from a 2000

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #3

    EternalChess

    Thanks, so basically sharp game where black is a bit worse, but if he survives the endgame looks nice, but it is confusing because some lines white gets 2 central pawns, with a pawn on d5. So it looks risky as well.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #4

    JamieKowalski

    I only very recently started playing it, and so far I am liking it. There is an excellent multi-part video series here that got me interested in it. I like all the tension in the middle, and waiting to see who cracks first. :)

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #5

    EternalChess

    JamieKowalski wrote:

    I only very recently started playing it, and so far I am liking it. There is an excellent multi-part video series here that got me interested in it. I like all the tension in the middle, and waiting to see who cracks first. :)

    Are your results with it fine? Is it as complicated as I think it is?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #6

    LavaRook

    I think its a great opening--I play it as white in the Rb1 pawn sac lines.

    Lots of theory you have to keep up with though but its not a big deal just download TWIC every week.

    In one of the main lines of the Nf3/Rb1 line, Black has to potentially sac the exchange. He gets really good dynamic compensation though.

    Black will pick up the e pawn safely. He has some nice passers on the queen side for compensation. And 2B's for now.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #7

    Daeru

    I played it quite a lot recently and after getting used to the type of game expected from Grunfeld, I scored pretty well except in the Russian variation. Even if you won't add it to your repertoire, I think you should give it a try. It is a unique opening IMO.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #8

    EternalChess

    LavaRook wrote:

    I think its a great opening--I play it as white in the Rb1 pawn sac lines.

    Lots of theory you have to keep up with though but its not a big deal just download TWIC every week.

    In one of the main lines of the Nf3/Rb1 line, Black has to potentially sac the exchange. He gets really good dynamic compensation though.

     

    Black will pick up the e pawn safely. He has some nice passers on the queen side for compensation. And 2B's for now.

    Is that all theory, or with best play? I love blacks compensation, and I have read and looked up your Rb1 line earlier today, seems risky but worth it.

    Is TWIC free? Where can I download it.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #9

    thehedgehog2000

    many gms have played it consistantly with good results. Its a good opening

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #10

    Daeru

    Svidler and Caruana are playing good games in this opening if you want to study some of the newer games.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #12

    EternalChess

    Thanks for your opinion, it does indeed look like it has lots of theory.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #13

    EternalChess

    My first Grunfeld game.. I totally forgot the lines to the opening due to the fact I didnt think I would encounter Nf3, I was expecting Ne2.. What is the proper line to this? I feel like it is the wrong move for white, and gives black an easier game.. despite  me playing the wrong continuation! I never looked at Nf3 lines, and I fully expected that Bg4 pinning the knight would be blacks move, but I was wrong and thankfully I didnt pay the price.

    As my first game with Grunfeld, I got a good impression of the opening, since I won in 20 moves.. but I know my opponent and I could have played better.

    Despite my opening setback, I had an easy game with black.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #14

    EternalChess

    EDIT: Ignore the title, I just saw this game with the Nf3 variation so I copied the pgn, to insert onto here, but forgot to delete the titles!

    I saw a line after the Nf3 move, and it definately looks like black has an easier game, around my rating players do not really know opening moves to a full extent, so I am positive I will see Nf3 be played in the future.

    This variation seems good for black. I am glad I saw Nf3 in my first game because  I realised how serious Bxf7+ threats can be.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #15

    thehedgehog2000

    SerbianChessStar wrote:

    EDIT: Ignore the title, I just saw this game with the Nf3 variation so I copied the pgn, to insert onto here, but forgot to delete the titles!

    I saw a line after the Nf3 move, and it definately looks like black has an easier game, around my rating players do not really know opening moves to a full extent, so I am positive I will see Nf3 be played in the future.

     

    This variation seems good for black. I am glad I saw Nf3 in my first game because  I realised how serious Bxf7+ threats can be.

    I find the toughest line for black is in the line where white gives up a pawn on b2. Sorry but I dont have much experience in the line so I cant be specific

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #16

    imsodumicantdie

    Most <2000 don't really study theory that deeply, and therefore the Gruenfeld is very easy to play. Bg7, c5, Nc6, Bg4, basic moves to pressure d4, and you've got a good game.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #18

    Markle

    I just beat my first OTB Master in a Tournament last weekend on the white side of the Grunfeld.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #19

    davidknight

    Seems a good idea.  Grunfeld is used by the best players.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #20

    trakoz

    Chess.com staff must delete the unscrupulous messages.


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