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Winning with the clock: Should you be proud of it?


  • 18 months ago · Quote · #41

    tliu1222

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #42

    pablocruzchess

    I think should be declared draw a game when the material difference is more than 15 points ... for example, it is not normal king and rook versus king, 2 rooks and queen .... and loose by time....I know are the rules, but I think is unfair...only my opinion 

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #43

    SmyslovFan

    pablocruzchess wrote:

    I think should be declared draw a game when the material difference is more than 15 points ... for example, it is not normal king and rook versus king, 2 rooks and queen .... and loose by time....I know are the rules, but I think is unfair...only my opinion 

    So, this should be declared a draw? Black should wait until he has two minutes left on his clock, get the td over, make his move, STOP his clock, and ask for an adjudicated draw!

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #44

    waffllemaster

    The most enjoyable attacks are the ones where you've shedded all pieces except the ones needed for mate... lines like this are more common than you might think.  If all a defender had to do was as in smyslovfan's example it would be ridiculous.

    Equally ridiculous is the OP who claims a win on time in bullet is unfair.  I wonder what they think bullet chess is lol.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #45

    opensky

    If you feel bad about it stop playing blitz or give your opponent more time. A win is a win. Thats the game.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #46

    Charlotte

    winning on time is cool, free rating points, i'm always gutted if my opponent manages to come back with like 44 minutes to go, grrrrrr!

    whatever format of the game you play, should never worry about winning on time at all.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #47

    FirebrandX

    kantifields wrote:

    No one is ever awarded a win.  The rules are to prevent the clock from singularly declaring a loss.  The rule is there to prevent a person who has no chance of losing on the chess board from sustaining a loss because of time.  This rule has stood the test of time.

    I always assumed such a rule only applied if there was technically no possible way to lose, not some arbitrary idea of "if a class C player" etc. In other words, even in my final position, I have pawns that can theoretically win the game, so the opponent should lose as a result of running out of time. Otherwise, there's simply no point to blitzing your time-pressured opponent, since he/she can merely get a TD to rule a draw and save them. Now if it had been opposite colored bishops and you try to blitz them, then yes, the rule would make sense. Certainly not though in a situation where I sac material to run them out of time and I still have enough mating material left.

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #48

    FirebrandX

    waffllemaster wrote:

    Equally ridiculous is the OP who claims a win on time in bullet is unfair.  I wonder what they think bullet chess is lol.

    That wasn't the OP. You're on page 3, not page 1. ;)

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #50

    tecnoecuador

    12.Qc2 (?) (12.a4) ?, 12. ..b5!, (15.a4? bxa, 17. Qd1? Ng4), 26. ..e5?(26. ..e4!),

    27. dxe?(27.Kg1 Bg7 28.Be3 and go with the king to e2)

    31. ..Rd7(..Bd4),32 Be3! karamba,

    34.Be3?(34.Rd2? but 34.Qd2!) and that bishop was going to win the game, 39. Bd4??, 45.Qc6 and QxQ ??

    gg, good discussion too, I think that's what chess has to be, as a sport. 

  • 18 months ago · Quote · #51

    FirebrandX

    tecnoecuador wrote:

    12.Qc2 (?) (12.a4) ?, 12. ..b5!, (15.a4? bxa, 17. Qd1? Ng4), 26. ..e5?(26. ..e4!),

    27. dxe?(27.Kg1 Bg7 28.Be3 and go with the king to e2)

    31. ..Rd7(..Bd4),32 Be3! karamba,

    34.Be3?(34.Rd2? but 34.Qd2!) and that bishop was going to win the game, 39. Bd4??, 45.Qc6 and QxQ ??

     

    It's a 3-min blitz game. By move 34, I was just throwing moves out as fast as I could to run him out of time (which worked).

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #52

    pablocruzchess

    SmyslovFan escribió:I think you understand what I mean... This is a mate position, but I talk about games with a king running behind a pawn against 2 rooks (for ex.) complitely lost.... But winning by time, when t'ho oponent only needs 20" to win.... So many times happens...you know what I mean.... You can Tell me with this extrem example that is dificult without referee....and I say you're right...but you know that your example is the 5% of the games! or less...

    pablocruzchess wrote:

    I think should be declared draw a game when the material difference is more than 15 points ... for example, it is not normal king and rook versus king, 2 rooks and queen .... and loose by time....I know are the rules, but I think is unfair...only my opinion 

    So, this should be declared a draw? Black should wait until he has two minutes left on his clock, get the td over, make his move, STOP his clock, and ask for an adjudicated draw!

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #53

    dashkee94

    To me, there's no doubt about it.  He knew the rules, he took his chances, he paid the price.  He would have done the same to you.

    There have been times when playing blitz where I was getting killed on the board, outplayed in the opening and middlegame having zero chances, and my opponent couldn't find that one move, burning time while blind, and I offered a draw when he had less than ten seconds left.  I won't resign until I'm finished, not just significantly worse, but I don't accept winning in a game where I was completely outplayed.  But that's just me, and that doesn't happen very often.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #54

    LongIslandMark

    sometimes - but "proud" is a self-evaluation term.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #55

    iamdeafzed

    FirebrandX wrote:

    So here's the question: Is such a win in a blitz game by running them out of time really something to be proud of? I mean, I was pretty much drowning in the game, so it doesn't really feel like a major victory to take the win on the clock.

    Nobody can tell you how you should feel about it, i.e. proud or otherwise. That's something that's entirely up to you. Personally, I've never felt much of a sense of satisfaction the times where I've won games on time in otherwise dead lost positions. But I've never regretted those clock wins either. Time is part of the game...most players come to accept that sooner or later (as I did), and those who don't will probably quit playing chess and stick to watching Monday Night Football (or something) instead.

    So to me, a slightly more applicable question would be, "If you guys were in my position, would you have run this guy out on time the way I did?" And yes, I would have.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #56

    cookiemonster161140

    Duh! 

    A win is a win. 

    Not all games end in a brilliant checkmate. The clock is part of the rules, anybody who doesn't get that should play dominos.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #57

    mic15counterstrategy

    Totally agree cookiemonster161140 ( what a long name ), and yes, ofcourse u can be proud with a win on time. A win on time is absolutely not worse then a win on material.


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