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  • 24 months ago · Quote · #2

    bigpoison

    I think he was probably tickled with that draw.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #3

    Kingpatzer

    If he's a regular tournament player, then it probably isn't a big deal as he would be aware of what he was agreeing to up front. 

    If he's not a regular tournament player, then it should have been explained to him in detail what he could reasonably expect. 

    In either case, I've always been of the opinion that a player changing their section at the request of the organizers (which isn't that uncommon in small tournaments) should have their entry fee wavied. They are basically functioning as a house-man, and in my club, house-men play free.  

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #4

    bobbyDK

    I think the TD should not have asked - just said to the" highest either you are in the tournament and play up or you are out."


     

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #5

    Kingpatzer

    bobbyDK wrote:

    I think the TD should not have asked - just said to the" highest either you are in the tournament and play up or you are out."


     

    That's absolutely an abuse of the TD's authority. I would not attend any tournament where the TD arbitrarily forced people to register in sections they did not wish to register in on penalty of removing them from the tournament. 

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #6

    bobbyDK

    Kingpatzer stem
    bobbyDK wrote:

    I think the TD should not have asked - just said to the" highest either you are in the tournament and play up or you are out."


     

    That's absolutely an abuse of the TD's authority. I would not attend any tournament where the TD arbitrarily forced people to register in sections they did not wish to register in on penalty of removing them from the tournament. 

    in denmark we are not in rating based groups and it is entirely up to the TD. we don't have rating floors or something similiar. you don't know what group you are entering. it depends on the number of people entlisting.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #7

    Kingpatzer

    Ah, but the question here is specifically about sections based on rating. 

    And in section tournaments, there are prizes within those sections as well.  

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #8

    ThrillerFan

    I think there is nothing wrong with what he did.  He tried to make both sections even by "Voluntarily" moving to the upper section.  If nobody agrees to do it, you deal with the byes.  You don't force the issue.

    Another solution with small 1-day tournaments would be not to do sections of "Open" and "U1600", but rather, charge $20, return 75%, and do 10-man sections for $100 and $50 for 1st and 2nd with the bottom section being 6 to 12 players with proportionate payout.  If the remainder is 4, you take the second from the bottom section and shift it to 8, and make the bottom 6, and they play for $80-$40 and $60-$30 respectively.

    At that point, it's strictly based on rating.  If you have 28 players, sort them in order by rating, 1 to 10 make up the top section, 11 to 20 make up the middle section, 21 to 28 make up the bottom section.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #9

    Estragon

    The Director acted properly.  If nothing were done, then every player would potentially lose a game to a bye - there would be a total of eight unplayed games in the two sections.  That is very bad for the competition and for the players who came to play.

    As long as the choice was completely voluntary, I see no objection.  It would have been a nice gesture to comp the entry fee for the player who agreed to play up.

    I assume the "3 blacks & a white" came about by the Swiss pairing rule that when both players are due the same color, the higher ranked (by score first, then rating) gets his due color.  So it was a pairing of players with "B-W-B" in their first three games, the lower ranked gets the 3rd Black.

    If both had received "W-B-W" in the first games, the lower player would get the 3rd White, so it works out in the longer run.


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