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A draw or not a draw??


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #1

    BrokenCircles

    A player declares a draw if the same exact position is
    repeated three times (though not necessarily three times in a row).

    This is what it says in the rules, but I am not seeing it. I have been in this game for over a month now. I am in a game right now where I have just a Queen and King and my opponent has Queen, King, and 3 pawns but I have control. My opponent declined my draw offer over a week ago so I have just been keeping him in check because I dont feel I am in a postion to resign. As far as i can see and from what I read the game should have been drawn by now. It looks to me as if 2 identical postions have been repeated 3 times. So I would appreciate it if anyone wouldn't mind to take a look at it and tell me what I am missing or in what way I am wrong because I want to completely understand all of the rules and obviously I am slightly confused on this 1. The repetition starts at move 51 if anyone will take a look at it.

    http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=14816004

    Thank you, BC

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #2

    bondiggity

    when did you offer the draw?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #3

    TomR

    Well I would have offered a draw as well, but as he didn't accept I don't know, I'm a bit unclear on this as well

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #4

    BrokenCircles

    I offered it about a week ago. I cant remember if it was before or after we both lost our last rook, but as far as that rule states i think it should have been automatically drawn.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #5

    bondiggity

    The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, when the same position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by sequential repetition of moves)
    a. is about to appear, if he first writes his move on his scoresheet and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move, or
    b. has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move.



    I'm not sure how it works on chess.com with this, but you should have offered the draw before your 56th move, and the game should have automatically be enforced as a draw. Notice that the rule states correct claim, a player must claim the draw.
  • 3 years ago · Quote · #6

    BrokenCircles

    So maybe i should just offer it again and see if this brings the automatic draw. I cant remember exactly when i ofered but I know it was before the 50th move. After he delcined is when i started repeating moves tryin to force it.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #7

    BrokenCircles

    ok that didnt work. I offered another to see if it would automatically draw and it just came up as a pending draw offer.

    Has anyone ever gotten a draw on here by this rule? I really want to understand it because in the past i have made moves i wouldnt necessarilly make becuase i thought my opponent was attempting to create a draw in this manner.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #8

    BrokenCircles

    OK thank you, but I didnt notice it. So if Claim Draw did appear and i just missed it, is it too late now?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #9

    MM78

    It should appear again, I had a similar situation and missed the fact that the button had changed to claim draw, in fact my opponent and i were agreeing a draw by message and were curious as to would the system spot it and then the button changed.  Have you tried messaging your opponent politely asking for a draw? If you succeed in repeating the position again fot the thirs time the button will change, but you are some way from achieving that at the moment.  Can't comment any further as this is an ongoing game.  Bottom line as gonnusuke says, watch the button :-)

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #10

    BrokenCircles

    i already typed this and it didnt go thru so i appologize if im repeating myself. Right now there is a pending draw offer so thee is no button at all. But MM78, are you saying that it doesnt meet the criteria?? Because what i can see is that 2 of the exact same positions were repeated 3 times.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #11

    rook_battery

    Well it would seem to me that the rules concerning perpetual check should come into play here. If he can keep the enemy king in check endlessly then he has met the criteria for it once x amount of moves have been made with no captures/pawn moves (see above posters). If a draw is what you're after then keep doing it until the "claim draw" control appears.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #12

    BrokenCircles

    Thats pretty much the plan now but I still wanna know why i did not meet the criteria for the 3 times repeated position rule. This game should have ben drawn by now as far as im concerned. I cant let him get another queen so keepin him in check is the best option i can see. But this doesnt change the fact that im still confused on this rule.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #13

    BrokenCircles

    ok. I do appreciate the input here and I did learn something, but I am still left with my original question. Maybe I should have worded it differently. What i want to know is why this game has not met the criteria. What i see is the exact same position 3 times. Am i seeing somethin wrong?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #14

    BrokenCircles

    anyone?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #15

    Saccadic

    In your game you could only claim draw on move 56. Qe1+. That is the only time you were in threefold repeition. After you played 56. Qe1+ you did not click the 'claim draw' button. Your opponent got out of the repetition after that move.

    Note: Technically you should also be able to claim draw before you make the 56. Qe1+ move. This is to ensure that your opponent doesn't play too fast without giving you an opportunity to claim draw. Or, in case they have a conditional move lined up.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #16

    MM78

    you are correct, there was a threefold repetition twice in fact, you must have missed the button.  Now he has varied and moved to a new square so bad luck, you needed to claim it at the time, sorry.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #18

    BrokenCircles

    OK thank you guys. I was just assuming that it was automatic therefore i wasnt looking for the "claim draw" so i must have missed it,but now i know. But since it is not necessarilly continuous i will assume that if 1 of those positions are repeated just 1 more time it will be offered again. Either way i will keep an eye outt for it. thank you.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #19

    ChessplayerFRomHK

    HOLLA back! Lol

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #20

    second_wind

    Don't ask about a game that's in progress...


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