I played recently played a game versus a solid player. I won as black, but it was rather interesting. At one point I traded my queen for two rooks and a more promising position. Most players fall in love with their queen and hang on to it at all cost, especially when nearing the end game and even in material, but...

 

Recently I HAD to sack my Q for nothing but the position worked out better. The Q is not the "be all and end all" of chess as you are aware. I was glad my opponent played into my hands though, with a useful pin on his Q on the back line which I could exploit with my R.

Daaaaaaaam!

You are good!

I need a litle more practice and I gonna beat you!

:) 

I have also recently began thinking about if a queen is worth 2 rooks. I havn't been presented with the possibility of trading my queen for 2 rooks but i think I will when i do get the chance. Rooks are worth 5 points a piece and the queen is worth 9. But I think it also depends on the position. I don't think I would trade if i had a bishop pair, because the diagnol attacks would probably be quite strong.

Sometimes a queen is traded for less if it give a player a better position.

chart=

• pawn=1 pawn
• knight=3 pawns
• bishop=3 pawns
• rook=5 pawns
  
• queen=9 pawns

notice how 2 rooks will roughly be worth 1 pawn mor than a queen but you cant forget about position

deadpoetic wrote:

I have also recently began thinking about if a queen is worth 2 rooks. I havn't been presented with the possibility of trading my queen for 2 rooks but i think I will when i do get the chance. Rooks are worth 5 points a piece and the queen is worth 9. But I think it also depends on the position. I don't think I would trade if i had a bishop pair, because the diagnol attacks would probably be quite strong.

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I believe it solely depends on the position. I've blindly traded my queen for two rooks before and have lost. Why? Bad position. In games that I can remember, in which I've done the exchange, I am 3-2-2 though. That part about the bishop pair, so true.

a queen is not worth two rooks,i'd trade my queen for two rooks any day

there is no way I would not have seen that fork, especially being that the queen was perfectly pinning down that deadly knight. Goodgame bud.

u can trade a piece for another pieces or two new pieces??? im confused.

arrowhead13 wrote: u can trade a piece for another pieces or two new pieces??? im confused.

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Iook at the sequence of moves after white moves his queen. black gets two rooks for his queen...

DAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMM!

 

Nice Game!

 

When given the chance I almost always take two rooks in exchange for my queen. The two rooks have a little more mobility than the queen and can reinforce each other. The queen can't reinforce itself. If you want to throw someone off their game and improve your chances of winning, though, force the queens off the board early. Most lesser skilled players have a hard time compensating for the lack of the queen. Some players will even put themselves in a bad position in an attempt to avoid the exchange of queens. Never let the loss or exchange of the queen rattle your brain. Learn to play without it.

12 Nf4 does not win the exchange... take a look at 12 ... b4+! (Edit - thank you silent).

8...R2e5 looks pretty good to me.

Ray_Brooks wrote: 12 Nf4 does not win the exchange... take a look at 12 ... g5+!

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 12...b4+

Seems like 21.Qxb5 concedes the loss for white.  Perhaps it was over at this point anyway.

silentfilmstar13 wrote: Ray_Brooks wrote: 12 Nf4 does not win the exchange... take a look at 12 ... g5+!

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 12...b4+

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 I'm missing the point here.

Two rooks for Q is usually a good trade, of course it depends on the position... I can't remember the exact statistic but I do recall reading somewhere that in games where Q is traded for 2 rooks the rooks tend to win about 60/40. 

IMO you didn't win the game with your rook play though, you won it with that nifty defensive move 13.Nf6, turning the tables on what must have looked like a winning fork for white.  

It's academic since you win anyway, but if you reverse your move order in moves 19 and 20 you keep an extra piece.   19...Rb5 threatens 20...Rxa2# and white's only defense is 20.Qxb5 20.Nxb5+ ... and you keep the N.

Your opponent should have known to resign after you won his Queen. Silly waste of time to play on there IMO.

Nice game.  

NICE game, I do know what you mean when Players hang on to their Queen...

[Especially in the Endgame].

ADK