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A rule I have been unaware of?


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #1

    Lehes

    Recently I played a game ending in this position. I played white but ran out of time before being able to checkmate. To my surprise the game ended in a draw because of insufficient material instead of me losing. What kind of rule allows this to happen?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #2

    Scarblac

    If the position is such that a player can't checkmate anymore in any conceivable series of legal moves, then he can't win on time anymore, only draw.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #3

    Lehes

    Thanks for clearing that one up!

    I guessed that that was the rule but it's better to be safe than sorry Tongue out

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #4

    Palamed

    Why cant white mate? Only king and rook are enough to mate,and he is got the knight as well???

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #5

    Archaic71

    This is correct, if a king is acompanied only by a lone knight or lone bishop, then the best result they can hope for is a draw, regardless of time control.  However, if the player has a pawn on the board, even if it is frozen, then the possibility for promotion exists and they CAN win on time.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #6

    Archaic71

    I would guess it was white that ran out of time . . .

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #7

    Lehes

    Palamed wrote:

    Why cant white mate? Only king and rook are enough to mate,and he is got the knight as well???


    I ran out of time before I could mate

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #8

    DMX21x1

    See this is why I love Chess.  I never knew that either.  Surprised

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #9

    Scarblac

    Palamed wrote:

    Why cant white mate? Only king and rook are enough to mate,and he is got the knight as well???


     White can, but Black can't. So Black can't win on time.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #10

    jaf299

    Scarblac wrote:
    Palamed wrote:

    Why cant white mate? Only king and rook are enough to mate,and he is got the knight as well???


     White can, but Black can't. So Black can't win on time.


     Thanks Scarblac, I was puzzling over this until I read your post. If I have got this right, White has enough material to mate, but lost on time, but because Black does not have enough material to mate the result is a draw, not a win on time for Black. I was not aware of this rule either. When I think about it a draw seems a fair result in this situation.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #11

    super12345

    Just remember that if you are playing OTB you need to call it before your time runs out. Also, you can't call it if there is  a delay clock OTB

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #12

    Scarblac

    super12345 wrote:

    Just remember that if you are playing OTB you need to call it before your time runs out. Also, you can't call it if there is  a delay clock OTB


     No, you're confused with another rule. This thread is about what happens when the time runs out.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #13

    greatmac

    WHITE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHECKMATE.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #14

    Scarblac

    greatmac wrote:

    WHITE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHECKMATE.


    Again, white's flag has fallen. The question is whether black could still have checkmated. Since he doesn't have any pieces, he couldn't, and it's a draw.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #15

    AnthonyCG

    You can under no circumstances win a chess game without sufficient material even by timeout except for odd cases of checkmate like this one:

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #16

    Scarblac

    @AnthonyCG: even that isn't really an exception, since there White does have sufficient material. It's just that if the Black material wasn't there, it would suddenly cease to be sufficient :-)


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