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  • 2 years ago · Quote · #1

    chessdadx3

      I am really trying to take my time and really look at positions. I found this pudiagram in Sierawan's Play Winning Chess, he what was the most beneficial move for white was. In order to main superiority on the kingside, his answer was Qh5, which I agree with kinda of. So I started looking for a better move or series of them. Here is what I came up with, please feel free with comments. Thanks in advance for them.

    My second look at it produced results I wasn't as confident in.

    Please let me know how I analyzed both situations please.
  • 2 years ago · Quote · #2

    VernalFire

    Hi Bernie, I think you analysed both games well

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #3

    SerbianChessStar

    what happens if king takes bishop instead of going Kh8?

     

    EDIT: Wow, saw the second game nevermind :P

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #4

    kco

    First one was perfect on the second one (I would have done the same) is was good you had the right idea breaking down the king's protection and deliver the mate. There is a mate in 8 I'll let you work it out.  

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #5

    chessdadx3

    Thanks kco, I will look for it!!!

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #6

    Dreadnought

    Doesn't 6...Qd6 eliminate the rook coming to e7 without having to give up the knight as well?  It'll leave Black with a difficult R+N+N vs Q+3KP, but it's a lot better than what's shown in option 2.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #7

    kco

    here is a clue for you chessdadx3 take a look between your bishop and queen

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #8

    Estragon

    2nd diagram - try 3 Ng6 - the threat is Qh8+ and Re7+, Qh4+, Qg5#. 

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #9

    chessdadx3

    Thank you all for all the coments, keep them coming!

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #10

    orangehonda

    A mate in 8?  From the 2nd diagram I don't see a defense that lasts that long after 1.Qh5 (threatening Bxh7 Bg6 Qh7)  The e5 knight is redundant, after Qh5 f7 is covered and the knight only gets in the way of mate as it blocks the e1 rook.

    If h6 Qxh6 -- if g6 then Rxg6 -- if Nxe5 then it doesn't stop the threat which was Bxh7 Bh6 Qh7.  Rf6 seems to last another 4 moves after 2.Qh7 3.Ng6 4.Bxg6 with mate to follow, but I don't see anything that lasts more than 4-5 moves.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #11

    kco

    ah-ha what about Rf5 ? hmm

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #12

    orangehonda

    kco wrote:

    ah-ha what about Rf5 ? hmm


    Hmm, maybe I threw out Rf5 too quickly, it does seem to last longer.  I'm still missing the best defense I guess, can last 6 moves...

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #13

    kco

    not bad master Jedi, but can't say the answer leaving it to chessdadx3 to work it out hm

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #14

    orangehonda

    I'm impatient when it comes to best lines like these Tongue out playing against my computer I see black can last longer.  Maybe not the best practical chances, but certainly the longest defense heh.  I'm just not programed to find moves like this.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #15

    kco

    You are rating 1900+ master Jedi ? have patient my friend. Relax your mind let force come to you. Going to bed soon.  Tongue out 

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #16

    Muetdhiver

    orangehonda wrote:

    A mate in 8?  From the 2nd diagram I don't see a defense that lasts that long after 1.Qh5 (threatening Bxh7 Bg6 Qh7) hu?!  The e5 knight is redundant, after Qh5 f7 is covered and the knight only gets in the way of mate as it blocks the e1 rook.

    If h6 Qxh6 -- if g6 then Rxg6 -- if Nxe5 then it doesn't stop the threat which was Bxh7 Bh6 Qh7.  Rf6 seems to last another 4 moves after 2.Qh7 3.Ng6 4.Bxg6 with mate to follow, but I don't see anything that lasts more than 4-5 moves.

     


    the real threat behind Qh5 is Qxh7# Sealed

    Qh5 is the best move in this position.

    1.Qh5 a4?? 2.Qxh7# 

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #18

    Goppew

    Are you all serious? These are about the dumbest games EVER!Yell

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #19

    Goppew

    Goppew wrote:

    Are you all serious? These are about the dumbest games EVER!


     It is checkmate though.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #20

    orangehonda

    Muetdhiver wrote:
    orangehonda wrote:

    A mate in 8?  From the 2nd diagram I don't see a defense that lasts that long after 1.Qh5 (threatening Bxh7 Bg6 Qh7) hu?!  The e5 knight is redundant, after Qh5 f7 is covered and the knight only gets in the way of mate as it blocks the e1 rook.

    If h6 Qxh6 -- if g6 then Rxg6 -- if Nxe5 then it doesn't stop the threat which was Bxh7 Bh6 Qh7.  Rf6 seems to last another 4 moves after 2.Qh7 3.Ng6 4.Bxg6 with mate to follow, but I don't see anything that lasts more than 4-5 moves.

     


    the real threat behind Qh5 is Qxh7# 

    Qh5 is the best move in this position.

    1.Qh5 a4?? 2.Qxh7# 


    Heh, you're right, the threat is a mate in 1 Tongue out the three move pattern is what made the Qh5 move pop out that's were I was coming from, I honestly didn't see the mate in 1 till I read what you said... weird huh?

    Reb is right, white has 4 pieces attacking to black's 1-2 defenders, there should be multiple ways to win.


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