Analysis Board is making me worse?

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21st July 2009, 07:51pm
#1
by greekgeek
Fairfield United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 74

I love the analysis board feature.  BUT...I played a "real" OTB game this past week and was pummeled!  It's as if the analysis board has crippled me.  I wasn't able to think ahead or something.  Kind of scary.

Anyone else feel this way?

21st July 2009, 07:56pm
#2
by DaPharaoh
Gaithersburg, MD United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1362

i never use the analysis board, it feels like cheating to me. I suggest learn to see the moves in your head if you want to be a real chess player

21st July 2009, 08:15pm
#3
by Elubas
Buffalo United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 2383
DaPharaoh wrote:

i never use the analysis board, it feels like cheating to me. I suggest learn to see the moves in your head if you want to be a real chess player


The analysis board is part of the game on chess.com and you will be at too much of a disadvantage if you don't use it but your opponents do. Anyways, it helps you analyze positions very deeply. You don't have to do all the mental calculation, but you do have to pick the right moves which isn't easy and those picks are often based on a mental calculation first. Correspondence is different from OTB, but will help you with deep thinking skills and advanced strategy as well as crazy tactical complications you get exposed to.

21st July 2009, 09:18pm
#4
by Cosine
Canada
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 96

I, personally, rarely use the analysis board because I want to exercise my ability to visualize and manipulate positions in my head. I have on occation used it in very complicated positions but only after deciding what move I would have played, largely based on intuition, had I been playing OTB. I will use the analysis board for vote chess, though, just because I feel I should use all resources available to contribute to the team.

21st July 2009, 09:30pm
#5
by Pegrin
Charlotte, NC United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 230

I used it for a while, but then I stopped. I prefer to exercise my visualization skills. Use it or lose it. Smile

22nd July 2009, 03:08am
#6
by Tricklev
Gothenburg Sweden
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 731

Using the analysis board at every possible occasion is probably not a good idea.

22nd July 2009, 03:12am
#7
by Scarblac
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1684

Using the board (I prefer an actual wooden board) makes you better at correspondence chess. For OTB chess it probably has advantages and disadvantages.

22nd July 2009, 06:41am
#8
by checkmmm8
London England
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 75

The analysis board is amazing, and I love it! To be honest if I can see there is a tactical opportunity I won't risk getting it wrong, if I can see what to analyse then it's good enough for me. It's alot easier to spot any possible refutations as well!

I sac'd my queen in a recent game and I would have never tried it without the analysis board. There were just too many variations to consider, maybe I could've done it in my head but I didn't want to spend all day thinking about it. I worked things out in 5-10 minutes where as it would've taken at least 20 minutes to attempt it without the analysis board and I still wouldn't have been completelysure.

22nd July 2009, 03:47pm
#9
by ILLYRIA
Calif United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 258

The analysis board pleases me.

Like a friendly cat who snugggles up to you on the couch.

Now you're saying I shouldn't trust the analysis board?

That it may betray me and leave me less capable?  Like when a cat takes a nap with you on the couch but then as soon as you drift off to sleep it suddenly bites you in the armpit?

22nd July 2009, 06:56pm
#10
by Hoklanie
South Korea South Korea
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 203

I had the same problem (not about the cat biting me in the armpit).  I played on here for a year, using the analysis board all the time.  Then I entered an OTB tournament and kept expecting to use it somehow in my subconcious.  Kind of like when you watch a lot of baseball on TV and then go to a real game.  You kind of aren't really paying attention because you expect to see the instant replay like at home.

22nd July 2009, 08:08pm
#11
by Eternal_Patzer
United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 306

I try to resist the temptation to use the Analysis Board until I have studied the position at least as long as I would in an OTB game.  At that point I will (hopefully) have come up with a move and reasons for it, usually along with a line at least a few ply deep.  When I then look at that line on the analysis board it's pretty instructive to realize how much I did and didn't see OTB.  

22nd July 2009, 08:15pm
#12
by victhestick
Batavia, IL United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 1671

No doubt the analysis board will mess up your OTB game.  All my on line play has caused a bit of "board perspective anxiety". During my last OTB game I had to keep standing up to view the positions because I was having trouble with the 3D view!

22nd July 2009, 08:27pm
#13
by Eternal_Patzer
United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 306

That's pretty funny.  Have you tried the 3-D boards?

22nd July 2009, 08:38pm
#14
by da_tornado
Honolulu United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 1018
victhestick wrote:

No doubt the analysis board will mess up your OTB game.  All my on line play has caused a bit of "board perspective anxiety". During my last OTB game I had to keep standing up to view the positions because I was having trouble with the 3D view!


lol that happens to me a lot, so I stopped using the analysis board and practice analyzing positions using a real chess board

23rd July 2009, 08:42am
#15
by Pegrin
Charlotte, NC United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 230

I have been using the 3D plastic set, and it does feel a lot more like playing with real pieces.

23rd July 2009, 09:00am
#16
by superchef1028
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 76

The analysis board is a tool, just like a book is a tool.  Either, used properly can make you a better player.  Neither should be used as a crutch.

23rd July 2009, 07:13pm
#17
by victhestick
Batavia, IL United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 1671
Eternal_Patzer wrote:

That's pretty funny. Have you tried the 3-D boards?


no but that is a great idea

23rd July 2009, 07:15pm
#18
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4532

This is an unfortunate fact... Erik himself says that the analysis board will 'kill your calculation', at the bottom of his blog:

http://blog.chess.com/erik/an-apology-to-my-opponents-in-the-national-open-09

(YES, I did just go and dig that up. What of it?!?)

23rd July 2009, 07:18pm
#19
by TheGrobe
Calgary Canada
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 4340

I avoid using it altogether for this very reason.

23rd July 2009, 07:19pm
#20
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4532
TheGrobe wrote:

I avoid using it altogether for this very reason.


And yet, you still manage the very respectable rating of 1950+... says something about the rest of us, eh?

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