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Any others with high IQ suck at chess.


  • 13 months ago · #201

    zborg

    Meadmaker wrote:
    I'm not complaining about being a bad Chess player.  I'm observing the fact that I am a bad Chess player, despite putting in a good deal more effort than I did at many other things that I was quite proficient at.  I find that interesting. It's interesting to me that there are all these activities that are expected to be done well by "smart people", but there is, in fact,a wide range of ability across them.

     Example:  I went to the University of Illinois, and one summer I took a class  in Combinatorics. (Can't remember the class number, but it was crosslisted Math/CS/EE, but it was a 300 level class, available for undergraduate and graduate credit.  I was a senior at the time.)  The class met at 11:00. The night before the first test was Little King's Night at the local bar, and I got severely drunk.  When I woke the next morning, my alarm clock read 11:05.  My head was pounding.  I threw on clothes and hopped on my bike, arriving at class at 11:15, and grabbed a copy of the test.  I turned it in at 11:35, the first in the class to do so, and got 100%.

    Now, the point of the story is not to brag. Yes, I was good at math, but everyone in that room was good at math. I got A's in all of my math classes, but I can assure you that most of them required a lot of study, and I sure would not have been drinking myself into a stupor the night before a test in differential equations, which I found incredibly difficult.

     

    You spend entirely too much time writing about yourself.  Get over it.

    Study the game, and you just might get better.  Q.E.D.

  • 13 months ago · #202

    e4nf3

    I already told him that.

    He refuses to study. He complains about bad chess play due to some kind of missing chess gene.

    Maybe he is right. (lol)

  • 13 months ago · #203

    zborg

    e4nf3 wrote:

    I already told him that.

    He refuses to study. He complains about bad chess play due to some kind of missing chess gene.

    Maybe he is right. (lol)

    Or maybe "The Devil Made Him Not Learn It."  After teaching him the Calculus of Variations, and Optimal Control Theory," while attending Buddhist Summer Camp, and being interviewed by CNN.

  • 13 months ago · #204

    Meadmaker

    Here's an interesting study:  The part of the brain used for facial recognition is highly active for Chess masters studying Chess positions, but not for weak Chess players studying Chess positions.  The links below are to the original published study, and a more digestible summary.

     

     

     

    http://www.jneurosci.org/content/31/28/10206.full

     

     

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/eyes-the-brain/201107/chess-and-the-brain

    It would be interesting to see if skill at face recognition is correlated with strong Chess playing ability.  The study didn't specifically address the question.

  • 13 months ago · #205

    e4nf3

    ...doo-dah...all the doo-dah day...

  • 13 months ago · #206

    Meadmaker

    zborg wrote:
    e4nf3 wrote:

    I already told him that.

    He refuses to study. He complains about bad chess play due to some kind of missing chess gene.

    Maybe he is right. (lol)

    Or maybe "The Devil Made Him Not Learn It."  After teaching him the Calculus of Variations, and Optimal Control Theory," while attending Buddhist Summer Camp, and being interviewed by CNN.

    I've never been interviewed by CNN, nor have I ever made any such claim.

  • 13 months ago · #207

    BigHickory

    To become a a good chess player it helps (a lot!) if you deeply love the game because you need to spend a lot of time at it.    

    But maybe REALLY intelligent people avoid the chess addiction so they can use their time for productive activities, like earning a living.Cool

  • 13 months ago · #208

    PatzerLars

    Maybe really intelligent people avoid discussions about intelligence as well. Laughing

  • 13 months ago · #209

    Meadmaker

    PatzerLars wrote:

    Maybe really intelligent people avoid discussions about intelligence as well. 


    Indeed.

     

    In response to the criticism, I have deleted the overly lengthy anecdotes previously posted. 

    I find this topic interesting, and I intend to continue it, but I had, indeed, spent a bit more time than was warranted on one particular example.

  • 13 months ago · #210

    ljschess

    Having a high IQ does not mean that you will naturally be good at chess. They are two completely different categories of intelligence. Both have their pros and cons but in the end it really doesn't matter. You are who you are.

    Luke

  • 13 months ago · #211

    stanhope13

    I Q scores are just a general guide, not the be all etc.

  • 13 months ago · #212

    e4nf3

    Q: Does anyone know a stupid person who doesn't think they are shmart?

     A: No!

  • 13 months ago · #213

    AndyClifton

    pyramider wrote:

    I suppose there is more to chess than basic intelligence.

    An astonishing finding!

  • 13 months ago · #214

    AlCzervik

    AndyClifton wrote:
    pyramider wrote:

    I suppose there is more to chess than basic intelligence.

    An astonishing finding!

    That guy must have a high IQ. Maybe even into triple digits.

  • 13 months ago · #215

    motherinlaw

    Hello, everybody.  I'm coming in on this late and I'm a mediocre at best (by choice to a large extent) chess player AND a Girl, but I do have a psych doctorate and 36 years of experience in the field, including college teaching and lots of practice administering and interpreting IQ tests.

    (Hope that's not too much info about "me."  Undecided Embarassed Wink)

    I give you my bono fides as background to my response to Meadmaker's "Acing a test when unprepared and hungover" story.  I liked the story a lot, and found it highly relevant to this stated forum topic.

    Feel free to blast away---I may live in Georgia, but am Not a "delicate flower of South'en womanhood!" Kiss

  • 13 months ago · #216

    PatzerLars

    If you're dumb enough to get lured into a marriage, then this thread is obviously not for you. Tongue Out

  • 13 months ago · #217

    e4nf3

    Uh, oh.

  • 13 months ago · #218

    e4nf3

    mead: Oh dear.  That seems a bit harsh to me.  I try to save up my scorn for bigger issues, but if it's something you feel strongly about, then scorn, by all means.

    No...no... There are scorn levels of, let's say, 1 to 10.

    You only get a 1 from me. That's actually quite nice.


  • 13 months ago · #219

    PatzerLars

  • 13 months ago · #220

    Meadmaker

    motherinlaw wrote:

    I give you my bono fides as background to my response to Meadmaker's "Acing a test when unprepared and hungover" story.  I liked the story a lot, and found it highly relevant to this stated forum topic.

    Why,thank you. I was hoping someone would find it amusing, or maybe someone from my alma mater would pick up on Little Kings Night.

     

    But, more importantly, do you have any professional knowledge of the subject at hand? What interests me is whether there is any specific knowldege of other cognitive tasks that are correlated, positively or negaively,to Chess playing ability.

    The link between the facial recognition area of the brain and Chess experts is very interesting to me, and is getting a lot of press in the journals, but I haven't seen anything suggesting  an actual performance relationship between facial recognition and Chess ability. (or anything else and chess abilty)


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