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This thread is giving me a headache. Especially this photo. I think I know her.
In the Biblical sense? Now that would be an eye-opener.
Is there something you want to talk about ?
You are vastly mistaken.
I have absolutely no contempt for weaker players. I too am a weak player against many better than me. Isn't that true for all of us?
No. My only contempt is for people who play in a lazy, haphazard manner and have absolutely no desire to study, work hard and improve. And they blame their inadequacy on factors beyond their control.
People like you, for instance. (lol)
I don't think I am mistaken.
The description you give describes a lot of Chess players. If your contempt for them shows when you interact with them at tournaments, you are likely to drive them away.
The whole concept of "pattern recognition" versuse "pattern discovery" as a key element of Chess mastery makes even more sense when the game of Go is considered. Go players are famous for not even being able to explain what a good move is, aside from some very simple tactical considerations, but the good players are still very good and the bad players still very bad.
Any links to the study examining the relationship between IQ and chess skill ? I would expect there to be at least a weak positive loglinear correlation. I am terrible at chess (stuck in the 1300s, seemingly eternally), but do rather well in other intellectual endeavours.
Meady: I don't think I am mistaken.
Yeah, you are.
The definition of "a loser" is someone who 1) loses often, 2) doesn't mind losing, and 3) doesn't care to change the previous two outcomes.
Kinda like Cindy Lauper in the Video, Girls Just Wanna Have Fun?
They might use high IQ to rationalize, but that's not part of the definition, per se. Cindy had it right. Hulk Hogan was wrapped around her finger.
The only thing EASY in chess is to play badly. Please make a note of it.
Here's a link to the PhD dissertation I've been referring to. The bulk of the material presents the author's model. The introductory sections present a good overview of previous research relating Chess skill to IQ and various other tests of mental function.
You have acknowledged that you have contempt for a certain class of Chess players. Assuming you were serious in your description, that means you have contempt for a certain portion of the players at Chess tournaments. Surely you understand that if those players can perceive your contempt, they will be less likely to want to share your company.
I talk to players and to potential players. I talk to people who I think ought to like Chess tournaments, but don't. When they describe what they don't like about Chess tournaments, your attitude is number 3 on the list of why the don't show up. (Cost is number 1. "I'm not good enough." is number 2.)
People will say anything to justify their choices. Get over it. The game simply doesn't have wide appeal.
Unlike watching a golf match, many people, myself included, simply don't understand what GMs are doing. So many intermediate moves, and seemingly counter intuitive moves. Makes your head spin, even if you understand something about chess.
The game is too eccentric for its own good. And there is no clear way to fix that.
I think he holds some contempt for people that would rather whine about their problems rather than finding a solution to them...
Even if you believe this IQ nonsense to be true, you have taken no steps to adapt to the situation. It's pretty obvious what you're doing here.
No, I have no contempt for tournament players. Show me where I indicated that.
Meady: I talk to players and to potential players
Ah hah...I see... You are starting to sound scary, dude.
No, I have no contempt for tournament players. Show me where I indicated that. Liar.
I will tell you my hypothesis. Sure you want to hear it?
OK, then...someone your age who can't bust out of 1,000, won't put any time and effort toward improvement, yet is a tournament director of mostly young boys and who likes to hand out gifts (as you've stated)...
When I was young and played chess, there was a guy like you always hanging around, handing out gifts, wanted me to spend the weekend at his place.
You are starting to sound scary, dude.
Uhh...I don't know how to tell you this, but I'm a tournament player. Yes, I spend more time and effort as a TD than as a player, but I do play in tournaments.
And where on Earth did you get the stuff about most of the people at my tournament being young boys? I certainly didn't say it. And the gift thing?
I hope your tongue was firmly in cheek during the above response.
Not that it matters, but my tournaments usually feature about 1/3 children and about 2/3 adults.
I don't know what you are like in person, so I'm just going by what you say here. My guess is that faced with a real, live, human being you would probably make some more valid inferences about them than is possible on the web, so perhaps you would be the absolute model of grace toward those players who were less motivated and/or talented than yourself. It is possible that the contempt you express would vanish when faced with real people or you would at least hide it well, which is almost as good.
Not everyone, though, does that. I have been confronted with that sort of contempt at tournaments, directed at me or at some of my fellow long term patzers. It's very unfortunate, and it's one of those things that drives people away from Chess.
"My only contempt is for people who play in a lazy, haphazard manner and have absolutely no desire to study, work hard and improve."
"I have no contempt for tournament players."
The two sets described are not mutually exclusive.
You are just twisting what I said. I've never even been talking about tournament players. You do that.
You are a guy having trouble breaking 1,000 and are a TD with a lot of kids, for whom you like to hand out prizes. That's what you've said.
When I played chess, at age 15, I knew a guy exactly as you've delineated yourself. He even wanted me to come over to his place to spend the night, which I didn't.
I have no interest in kids and tournaments and have never made a comment...anywhere in these posts.
You, however, have quite well defined yourself in this regard.
The lady doth protest too much.
Somebody lock this stupid thing.
This is not important at all. All I see is some dope that can't cope with the fact that his supposedly high IQ doesn't entitle him to be proficient at everything he tries. And so he tries to blame any and everything but himself.
Not once have you even considered that a player of your low ability and complete misunderstanding of the game could simply be unable to figure out how to improve. With bias like that you can't expect anyone to take anything you say seriously - thus the pancakes...
I hope that I can navigate the fork from the plate to my mouth with my limited spatial abilites.
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