Anything to remember about going OTB ?

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1st August 2009, 04:33pm
#1
by damiencalloway
Columbus, OH United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 134

The only reason I am asking, is that there was a brouhahaha (haha) about a FIDE rules change concerning the proper way to note a chess move. Specifically, it appears one must move the piece first, then write it down. Granted, I am playing in the US, but I still have to wonder if the following flow of events is correct :

1) Pay fee

2) Get pairing

3) Set up clock

4) Choose a move

5) Write it down

6) Move

7) Touch clock when done

8) Wait for opponent

9) Repeat 4-8 until match is over

10) Repeat 2-4 until tourney is over

Did I miss anything ? Anything else I should take into account ?

1st August 2009, 04:46pm
#2
by mkirk
United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 497

you move - press clock . when you write your move is up to you during the game,as long as you have an accurate record. I personally write move after pressing clock in general.

1st August 2009, 04:48pm
#3
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4588
mkirk wrote:

you move - press clock . when you write your move is up to you during the game,as long as you have an accurate record. I personally write move after pressing clock in general.


mkirk, I could be wrong, but I think the rules are different in the U.S. and so we should probably just stay out of it! Laughing

1st August 2009, 04:50pm
#4
by mkirk
United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 497

Fair point. always different across the pond!

1st August 2009, 05:23pm
#5
by damiencalloway
Columbus, OH United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 134
mkirk wrote:

Fair point. always different across the pond!


rotflmao

1st August 2009, 05:40pm
#6
by Markle
Buckhannon,Wv United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 306

You now have to move before writing your move down, they consider writing your move down first a form of taking notes. Stupid i know but what can you do.?

1st August 2009, 05:40pm
#7
by kco
Perth Australia
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 7037

I thought you are allow to write my move and his move in your opponent's time ?

1st August 2009, 05:41pm
#8
by mkirk
United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 497

what is 'rotflmao' ?      This is a new one on me!

1st August 2009, 05:44pm
#9
by kco
Perth Australia
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 7037

roll on the floor laughing my ass off Laughing !!

1st August 2009, 05:44pm
#10
by mkirk
United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 497

excellent.

1st August 2009, 06:07pm
#11
by NM tonydal
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4368

9a) Go to Burger King with friends...play over games you just played and kibitz like crazy with each other

9b) Look at wall chart to: see who the undefeated geniuses are (if any), and if anyone is still posting nothing but goose eggs (castling queenside on the wall chart...or worse); also to find out who you're going up against for the bucks

9c) get some sleep on Saturday night (for two-day tourneys only)

1st August 2009, 06:11pm
#12
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2677
tonydal wrote:

9a) Go to Burger King with friends...play over games you just played and kibitz like crazy with each other

9b) Look at wall chart to: see who the undefeated geniuses are (if any), and if anyone is still posting nothing but goose eggs (castling queenside on the wall chart...or worse); also to find out who you're going up against for the bucks

9c) get some sleep on Saturday night (for two-day tourneys only)


Got kicked out of McDonalds for that. A sad day in America...
1st August 2009, 06:18pm
#13
by Bur_Oak
Indianapolis United States
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 210
AnthonyCG wrote:
tonydal wrote:

9a) Go to Burger King with friends...play over games you just played and kibitz like crazy with each other

9b) Look at wall chart to: see who the undefeated geniuses are (if any), and if anyone is still posting nothing but goose eggs (castling queenside on the wall chart...or worse); also to find out who you're going up against for the bucks

9c) get some sleep on Saturday night (for two-day tourneys only)


 

Got kicked out of McDonalds for that. A sad day in America...

What, they won't let you sleep in McDonalds anymore?

1st August 2009, 06:22pm
#14
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2677
Bur_Oak wrote:
AnthonyCG wrote:
tonydal wrote:

9a) Go to Burger King with friends...play over games you just played and kibitz like crazy with each other

9b) Look at wall chart to: see who the undefeated geniuses are (if any), and if anyone is still posting nothing but goose eggs (castling queenside on the wall chart...or worse); also to find out who you're going up against for the bucks

9c) get some sleep on Saturday night (for two-day tourneys only)


 

Got kicked out of McDonalds for that. A sad day in America...

What, they won't let you sleep in McDonalds anymore?


LOL. Only if you buy a Big Mac.
1st August 2009, 06:48pm
#15
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2677
Silence = 0 since of humor... *sigh*... http://emilehanton.com/images/030206.jpg
1st August 2009, 08:21pm
#16
by damiencalloway
Columbus, OH United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 134
Markle wrote:

You now have to move before writing your move down, they consider writing your move down first a form of taking notes. Stupid i know but what can you do.?


Wow. That is... bizarre. Well, will they at least allow you to write down times of how long it took to move ?

1st August 2009, 10:29pm
#17
by Estragon
United States
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 154

The current USCF rule is that you must move first, then write it down.  The ruling was that players were writing down a move, then changing their minds and making another, therefore the move written which was not made was, in effect, a "note" on the game. 

To explain, suppose a player wrote down the variations he analyzed before moving.  This would clearly be a violation of "making notes."  But how can we say it is "making notes" to write down 2 or 3 moves not made, but not "making notes" if he only writes down the first move of a line he doesn't play?

It is hard on those who developed the Petrosian habit of writing their move down first, but as long as it is applied consistently to all players, how can anyone object?

 

Smile

1st August 2009, 11:59pm
#18
by Bur_Oak
Indianapolis United States
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 210

This all reminds me of an odd anecdote. An acquaintance of mine was playing in a local tournament. In the middle of his game, he thought of a move, and wrote it on his scoresheet. His opponent saw what he had written, and evidently decided upon a good response. My aqcuaintance was about to make the move he had written down, but noticing at the last second that it was a bad move, instead made a different move on the board and went to revise his scoresheet. Meanwhile, his opponent had quickly and without thinking played the response to the unplayed move. Since the situation on the board was not what he anticipated, what would have been a good move turned out to be a bad one, losing a piece (the queen, as I recall the story), and soon thereafter, the game.

2nd August 2009, 05:11am
#19
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4588

Of course, Bur_Oak, if your acquaintance had done that today he would have been the one at fault. Is anyone aware of the penalty of writing down before moving?

2nd August 2009, 06:48am
#20
by FirebrandX
Denton, TX United States
Member Since: Jul 2009
Member Points: 56
Estragon wrote:

The current USCF rule is that you must move first, then write it down.  The ruling was that players were writing down a move, then changing their minds and making another, therefore the move written which was not made was, in effect, a "note" on the game. 

To explain, suppose a player wrote down the variations he analyzed before moving.  This would clearly be a violation of "making notes."  But how can we say it is "making notes" to write down 2 or 3 moves not made, but not "making notes" if he only writes down the first move of a line he doesn't play?

It is hard on those who developed the Petrosian habit of writing their move down first, but as long as it is applied consistently to all players, how can anyone object?

 

 


I seem to recall USCF was "going" to adopt the rule of moving first before taking notes, but many TDs across the country rejected the idea and stated they would not honor the rule, so the rule never got enacted into the official list. Did I recall that correctly or did they go ahead and add the rule in anyway?

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