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I'm easy. I get down 2 or 3 material "points" without compensation and I'm going to resign the game. I've always preferred to play with intensity Before getting staggered ... unless sac'g deliberately. Of course about 70% of my corr games have been sacrificial by at least one player or the other. Sharp openings or positions assessed as "unclear" tend to maximize opportunities for errors.
i will not unless you have demonstrated that you know how to execute the win. there are plenty of master games where one player is down on pieces but doesnt resign if a draw can be accomplished or the position is exceptionally strong. people who say they resign when they are down a couple of points say that it because they respect their opponent. i say more often it is because they dont respect their own game.
1) I would never ask an oppenent to resign.
2) If being destroyed, I will resign. There are games that become hopeless and from which there is nothing left to learn OTB. They never reach an endgame.
3) If losing (even clearly and obviously), I will almost never resign (at least until it reaches 'obvious even to a fool' status). If I am going to lose I want to learn more about how play as stiff a defense as possible. More importantly, I want to see the moves and combinations that finish me off.
3A) It is with no disrespect that I do not resign these lost games. It is with full respect. Most oppenents understand. A few have pretty bad attitudes if you don't quit when they think the time is right. These aren't the sort that I want to be playing very often anyway.
4) Good point earlier about playing out K vs K + B + N. Your opponent has only 50 moves to seal the deal or it is a draw. I may not make them play it to mate, but will play through at least 'proof of technique'. It only takes a couple of minor errors to botch this forced mate. I've seem some really good players blow this basic endgame. There a lot of strong players that work hard on openings, followed by combinations and traps, and expect to have such a strong position that they win a ton of games from resigning players. These players often have weak endgame skills.
5) I have played many games where I wish that my oppenent would resign; situations where they can't possibly be learning anything but play hopeless games all the way to mate. I just adjust my mindset and finish them as efficiently as possible.
6) If an opponent drags out a game just to drag it out, we won't play again if they are a fair bit lower rated. If a fair bit higher rated, I'll give them another go - working under the assumption that they are better than I am and worth losing to next time (or worth beating again).
7) I don't mind losing - but I do expect to see proof of endgame technique, and if I can learn some more of it myself at the same time, then it is foolish to resign too soon.
I agree with all but your #3. There's a fine line between chances and no chances. It's always a judgement call depending on position and perceived strength of my opponent. I've resigned down a pawn and position, down a piece with many left, but I've also kept playing down worse because I've had reasonable chances of counterplay and/or my opponent hasn't exhibited strong technique. If they are not a paid member, I'll even go for the timeout. I'm not overly proud.
Players who don't resign only really bother me in tournaments. Not only are they not respecting me but the whole group.
I've never asked or hinted that a player I'm playing should resign and I never will. I've pm'd a few on behalf of others (without their request) though.
In no other sport or game I know if is resigning or quitting encouraged or expected.
Do you watch golf? In match play do you make your opponent putt all one footers? Imagine the the press conferences after a Ryder Cup if that happenned!
I tend to be somewhat impatient, and I like to move quickly. And I appriaciate it when my opponents move quickly. I've noticed that some people move fairly quickly, and the game goes along fairly well, until they start loosing, than all of a sudden, they start taking all of the time they have to move, and they let the clock go down to 5 minutes, and make their move only once every 2 or 3 days. Where when they were doing well, I might have seen several moves a day. I am guilty of hinting to people I'd like to see them resign, but only when I discover that they are just not playing anymore. If someone is making moves on a fairly regular basis, I would never ask them to resign. I just like to see the games go a little on the faster side. By the way, on another subject, You live in the same city as me, I'd like to meet you, and play you over the board. I'm also interested in learning from you about local tournaments. I played in high school, and JR High, but have not played in a tournament since the early 90's And I would like to get back into it. What would you say to meeting me.
There's a difference between "I'm up a pawn and have a theroetically winning endgame; resign now" and "Jeez, I'm up 2 rooks and a Knight, and there are no concievable draws you have. Let's go make better use of our time now..."
What gets me, especially when playing littler kids, is how they take 5-10 minutes off their time to get into a hopelessly lost position and then next 40-50 minutes futiley trying to draw the game.
In short: No, you shouldn't ask people to resign usually. But don't be stupid and play a position there's seriously no chance of saving, either.
asking someone to resign is unacceptable.now,if someone were to draw out a hopeless game to mate and u wish to never play this player again then that's your prerogative...but never ask someone to resign.
If I have no good moves, no good squares to control and no threats at all, I resign. But, sometimes (especially when the advantage of my opponent isn't that obvious) I play a "hope game", saying to my opponent: "Checkmate me if you can!"
Asking someone to resign is rude, I never do it, and I don't want people to do it to me. Here winners are calm. In some other chess online sites it's "ololz its finished resign" or "lol you're owned, resign man!" I HATE IT!
I'd never verbally ask an opponent to resign, but I am a fan of "resign please" moves. Several types of moves fall into this category: trading down to a trivially won pawn endgame, removing the opponent's last glimmer of counterplay, revealing to the opponent that I have a mechanical and obvious winning method, or signalling that he or she has only a move or two to zugzwang.
The only times I've been a bit annoyed with playing out a game is when my opponent is palpably lost and takes all of his remaining time (in over-the-board play) to conclude the game. In a recent club game, my 2050 USCF opponent (I'm about 2180 USCF), despite being down a queen for a minor piece in a relatively quiescent position, took more than an hour for his last 20 moves. My anticipated early 9:30pm exit from the club never happened -- I didn't get to leave until 11pm or so. A bit discourteous IMO given our ratings. Even so, that's not the worse crime I've seen at the chess board :)
General advice: if you see any counterplay or cheap shots in a position, play on! If you're mated in 4, wait for your opponent to play the first two moves before resigning. Don't be in a hurry to resign middlegame positions unless you'd rather spend your energy in the next rounds of the tournament. (A teammate of mine in the recent US Amateur Team West tourney lost an exchange and a pawn in the middlegame against a 2000ish opponent, but ended up weaving a mating net with his queen and knight! He turned a lost game into a critical win, which provided the margin in that match.)
OH , and do not forget that it is a game of chess !!
I would never ask someone to resign. The reason that I am posting now is because someone basically insisted I resign a game today and it did nothing except make me not want to play against them again.
My position was hopeless but I was hoping to play out the rest of the game to see how my much higher rated opponent would play and maybe gain some insights. I ended up resigning because I didn't want to listen to his sooking anymore. If he had of asked politely I would have told him that I'd of appreciated seeing his moves and maybe stroked his ego a bit, but instead he was a jerk. No excuse for being a bad sport, especially when you are winning.
just turn the chat off and is it your rights to keep on playing if you wish.
telling him to play faster is just as bad as telling him to resign.
Thanks KCO. I thought about doing that but in the end I just resigned because I couldn't be bothered. It's disappointing to finally encounter someone rude on Chess.com because I have nearly 1000 games completed now and have never had an issue with anyone, even people rated much higher than this guy and he was 1900+.
What about telling him to resign faster?
you're in for a shit then.
I understand and and there is nothing you can do about it, maybe his toast was burning.
@TG: LOL :)
@kco: Unless alexlaw happens to be his opponent, I would simply take his post as a suggestion of how to play on courteously. Most people don't seem to mind playing on in a clearly won position as long as their opponent doesn't suddenly slow way down -- which is how a lot of folks seem to say, "F*** Y**!" when they're losing. If you're totally busted and just want to watch your opponent's superior technique, then playing quickly is a nice way of saying, "Thanks in advance for the lesson."
Okay, so I have recently played several games where I am in a fairly lost position but sometimes I like to play to learn or just to see if my opponent knows the endgame.
In some of these games my opponents have either hinted that I should resign or flat out asked me to resign.
I don't know if it is just my rebellious nature or not, but asking me to resign is sure to make the game get drawn out longer by me making them checkmate me.
This may be in part to the first chess book I ever got by Silman which gave info on openings, middle game, end game and other factors. One of those other factors said that you never have to resign. You can make your opponent beat you in the openings, middle game and end game.
There have been times where I just didn't want to continue when I know I've lost, but isn't it some breach of etiquette to tell your opponent to resign?
Sure, it might be considered rude and some may assume that you think you can still win if you don't resign. But I've played enough games to see that just because someone can win the opening and middle game doesn't mean they can't blunder or that they know their endgame. It may be unlikely and don't tell me that high rated players don't make mistakes because I've played in several USCF rated tournaments where I beat players in the 1800+ range because they made mistakes.
I'm no where near the best, but don't tell me when to resign, or else I probably wont.
GM Ron Henley told me that in response to my opponent asking me or telling me to resign; my response should be, "I want to see your winning technique."
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