Establishing a general consensus about conventions that augment the set of documented rules is something every good community does. Rules often don't cover situations like this and simply saying that because the rules don't cover it it must be OK is completely misguided.
As for how to bring this problem into a structured rule-base? It's effectively impossible, which is why it falls upon the community to police it in some manner -- in this case, a thread about the problem. It may be no more than venting at the end of the day, but it's a human reaction and one that evokes some degree of empathy among those that possess the capacity for it.
Suggo, put this all into context...have you ever said things like these:
1) Man, I wish gas prices weren't so high.
2) Aww, it's raining again? I forgot my umbrella.
3) Jeezes, this idiot on the road today couldn't drive and scratched my car!
4) Don't you guys find it annoying when someone plays the exchange French? What a boring opening...
To all of these, one could answer: "STOP complaining! Deal with it, get over it, and move on! GROW UP already!" Of course, who doesn't know that? Yet you hear people saying these things all the time. Is it because they hope to change the world and made it perfect by complaining? Nope.
Same situation here. This is a forum where people vent a little, talk about common pet peeves, etc. Your advice ("move on, get over it...") is good, but most people know it already, and you are still repeating it over and over. What are you trying to achieve here? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you are trying to tell everyone: "You guys are all cry babies whining about little things. Look at me, I'm tough. These things don't bother me one bit." Is this why you are so active in this thread and repeating essentially the same message over and over?
If that's not the case, then what attracts you so much to a thread that revolves around something you find to be a non-issue (ie: a thread that's pretty much irrelevant to your concerns)?
Here is a tip, if you can't play a 10 minute game without waiting for the results don't even start the game. Duh.
I think what they are saying is if the results are obvious two minutes into the game, why not save the extra eight minutes of still board time.
i love posts like this
Some very immature people just dont get it and never will. These people enjoy being rude and resent anyone even pointing out that they are being so. These people seem to have serious problems with any rules/laws being applied to them ( especially if they disagree with them ) and probably also had problems with any rules/guidlines as children. If I offer my hand , to shake hands, at the beginning of a game and you refuse to shake hands you are being rude to me , whether you agree you are or not. However, this is not disallowed by the rules as far as I know. I think FIDE recently did address this very issue though due to an incident between GMs Short and Cheparinov in which the latter refused to shake hands with GM Short at the start of the game, an intentional insult to GM Short.
Honestly, the whining here is very ineffective because of the lack of social pressure that can be applied. Maybe a few people might look at the post and think "Oh that annoys people" and stop, but thats it. Furthermore, it's not even a good way to vent, as long as the willfully ignorent like suggo reside on forums you are just going to get angrier.
Imo, the best way to relax after facing an inconsiderate opponent, is playing a game a weak chess computer =D.
Speaking of GM Cheparinov .... I recently witnessed another incident involving him in which he displayed a lack of sportsmanship. He was one of the top seeds at the Zafra Tournament in Spain and he won the classic event ahead of GM Adams. He also played in the Open Ruy Lopez theme tournament which was a rapid event. My wife and I also played the Open event. It is customary after each game for the players to reset the pieces for the next round, everyone does this. In a game involving Cheparinov he was upset because he failed to win in a game in which he had Q vs Rook but had no time on the clock and was about to flag. The game ended in a draw and in a fit of disgust/disappointment Cheparinov left the board immediately and refused to reset the pieces. I dont think he was punished in any way but I believe he should have been... the top players set the example for the rest of us and especially the younger players coming up in the chess world and have a responsibility to behave accordingly. I have also noticed Ukranian players doing this here in Portugal and it seems to be more common among eastern European players than others, at least here.
fortunately these sorry excuses for chess players who let their time run down are in the minority!!
I am for allowing the other person to have their choice and not stressing over it one bit. If a guy wants to make me wait to win, so what, no worries here, I was expecting to take at least that long to play anyway. If someone wants to play a game out that looks obviously lost, again I have no worries with that...I respect their decision...and I would think that to do anything else could only be considered "rude"!
Nobody is that stoic suggo.
If you "have been working on it for years" then things still annoy you.
Umm, pretty much am now, especially on the things I mention! As far as games and how people play them I am absolutely fine with any tactic they might want to use....and I am fine using them myself. So, yep, I am that stoic when it comes to these matters!
According to your logic, If you were playing an OTB game, you would be fine if your opponent took out a sledgehammer, bludgeoned you in the back of the head, and when you woke up you noticed you had timed out. This would then be completely fine and not rude.
bongditty, according to your logic, somebody that ate one piece of chicken would be stupid because he would die if he ate a billion.
Anyways, I just realized, everyone stop insulting suggo. Can't figure out his mindframe? Think of him as a bullied child, a social outcast, and everything fits.
NOT RUDE? I can just call the police, b/c the guy could have killed me if he swung hard enuff.
Anyway,mjbickley is right, in my opinion.
I was thinking about what can be done to codify some kind of remedy for this problem so that Suggo could wrap his head around it within the context of "rules" and here is what I came up with -- it's really quite simple, actually:
An additional time control called "max time per move" that can be set in addition to the current live chess time controls. This way, if I want to play a 1 hour game, but don't want to spend 55 minutes babysitting a won game that my opponent abandoned (and crossing my fingers that I don't time out) I can set the max time per move to 10 or 15 minutes and limit my wasted time that way.
I think that something like this, in conjunction with fixing the disconnects when the new version of live chess comes out (thus taking away a large part of the incentive to do this), could serve to largely eliminate the problem.
A lot of you have me wrong you know, I am not for being what you call "rude", I am for allowing the other person to have their choice and not stressing over it one bit. If a guy wants to make me wait to win, so what, no worries here, I was expecting to take at least that long to play anyway.
I see two main points to what you are saying. I'll rephrase them here:
1) Sure there are rude people out there. But they don't affect me. Just move on. Why let it bother you?
It's a great attitude to have, and it's obvious that you are very proud of it. But that's not the reason why people are disagreeing with you. It's the fact that you look down on others who might not be as stoic as you. You even started a group making fun of "sensitive people." If you are truly as stoic as you say, then shouldn't you have no problem tolerating "sensitive" people, just the same as you would tolerate rude people?
2) If I start a 30-min game, both players have the right to use up all 30 min. It's within the rules to do so.
Isn't it obvious that this discussion is not about rights and rules, but rather, etiquette? I know your response would be: "You guys are too sensitive about so-called 'conventions' and 'etiquette.'" But now we are back to the first point, and my response is: sure, some people are more sensitive, some people care about etiquette more than others, some people even like to talk about etiquette...welcome to the real world, lol. Do you really find it that hard to tolerate people discussing etiquette in a thread that nobody forced you to read?
This is a really interesting point -- how exactly did you get to be so sensitive Suggo?
1. If you cant wait for a win then why are you playing?
2. Quit being so damn sensitive, and impatient. This site is flooded with posts by chess/moral "experts" that feel they have the power, and wisdom to determine what others should do. Grow a pair and quit whining. Contrary to what you want to believe, you are not more inportant than your opponent, and your time is not more valuable than your opponent.
2. Quit being so damn sensitive, and impatient. This site is flooded with posts on chess/moral "experts" that feel they have the power, and wisdom to determine what others should do. Grow a pair and quit whining.
1. The issue is that you're not playing -- you're waiting.
2. The sheer hypocrisy in telling others that they shouldn't tell others what to do is downright laughable.
Then wait for the win...simple as that.