Being First on Daily Puzzle

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25th January 2009, 09:34am
#1
by stats_man
Washington United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 281

Does anybody else find it annoying when you scroll down to read the comments of others for the daily puzzle only to find, the majority of the time, "first" being the, well, first comment?

What is this obsession with a small amount of members to be first, especially without contributing anything to the puzzle solution? Do they just sit at computer hitting refresh waiting for the puzzle to change over so that they may be first?

Perhaps some of you "first" posters can shed some light on this.

25th January 2009, 09:39am
#2
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2259

first!!

 

 

 

jk, you had to know someone would do that. I also don't get those people, but they can do what they want. If they want to stay up the entire night so they can make the first post, more power to them.

25th January 2009, 09:50am
#3
by PETEJOZ
TorontoCanada Poland
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 71

Second.

25th January 2009, 10:23am
#4
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 3177
stats_man wrote: Does anybody else find it annoying when you scroll down to read the comments of others for the daily puzzle only to find, the majority of the time, "first" being the, well, first comment? ...

According to the preliminary results of this entirely unrepresentative survey ... http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/tally-forum-annoyances, such inane comments are the most annoying aspect of member contributions.

25th January 2009, 10:26am
#5
by AMcHarg
Livingston Scotland
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 880

I also find it extremely annoying, it's old... perhaps funny the first time but who CARES who is first now?  Time zones have a lot to do with who is likely to be first anyway, I think when the puzzles change it's 5am here.

I disagree with Ryan, people can't do what they want here, there are rules governing the general running of the site and I consider the "first" etc comments to be spam since it interferes with the main purpose of posting comments under the puzzle.

25th January 2009, 10:32am
#6
by Future2
Kansas City United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 3
25th January 2009, 10:34am
#7
by stats_man
Washington United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 281
25th January 2009, 10:52am
#8
by Spiffe
Orlando, FL United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 941

It's a common practice of the younger generation -- I first noticed it on the World of Warcraft forums, in response to Dev Team announcements.  The idea seems to be that by making one of the first responses to a post that will be seen by many, you ensure that your post will be viewed by many people as well.

Originally, it was used as a placeholder of sorts -- you would reply with a simple "first" to get your response right at the top, and then go back and edit that post with what you actually had to say.  It's actually rather clever for that purpose -- in a forum with hundreds of thousands of readers, by the time you put together a thoughtful response, you're going to be buried under the noise.  If you have something that you feel is important to say, you're going to get a lot more attention on Page 1 than Page 10.

Over time, though, that intent got lost, and it just became a cheap thrill to see your name up there at the top -- even if all you're saying is that you have nothing to say.  It is kind of annoying.

25th January 2009, 11:07am
#9
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 3177
25th January 2009, 11:16am
#10
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 748

Not only "first" is the problem. "easy", "bad puzzle" etc. 
Daily puzzle comments are depressing and irritating, where ignorance reigns

25th January 2009, 11:26am
#11
by perp124
Ct. United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 277

I bet they don't even do the puzzle.  They just type "first".

25th January 2009, 02:29pm
#12
by domdare
Ireland
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 12

I think they type first because it's the only time they'll be the first in anything.

25th January 2009, 06:31pm
#13
by ADK
Santa Clarita, CA United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 16331

It doesn't really bother me... In fact, I think it has become somewhat of a daily contest to see who can stay up until 12:00 to post "First!".Wink

ADK

25th January 2009, 06:36pm
#14
by stats_man
Washington United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 281

 I think I will calculate the ratings on the players who post, "first" regardless of if it is true.

My hypothesis is that they will be lower rated players as I believe higher rated players play out their competitiveness over the board.

Once I have at least 30 samples or so, I should be able to report some stuff.

I will post here for anyone who is interested.

25th January 2009, 06:43pm
#15
by brandonQDSH
Honolulu, HI United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 996

Do the puzzles get saved and people are able to track their "accomplishments"? Or do they just get deleted and there is nothing to show for it the next day?

25th January 2009, 06:59pm
#16
by joetheplumber
The White House United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 305

How about locking the daily puzzle thread after the puzzle is posted. Problem solved.

25th January 2009, 07:01pm
#17
by sebas4life
utrecht Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 327

We can't discuss politics and religion here, because you will get a ban. These discussions can be very enlighting. Saying first/second/third, doesn't enlighten me in any way, and is therefore extremely annoying. This should be banned instead of discussions about religion or politics.

25th January 2009, 08:22pm
#18
by NM tonydal
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4246
domdare wrote:

I think they type first because it's the only time they'll be the first in anything.


!

At first I thought they were claiming to be the first to solve the problem (which would at least be some sort of accomplishment, were we to believe them).  But then I came to realize that it's like some sort of game of tag--and hence (to me, at least) inexplicable.

Still (as bastiaan suggests) "easy" is (I think) even worse.  This "first" and "second" business is, though a bit on the annoying side, harmless enough; but the posting of "easy" is completely asinine, especially when it's in response to some combo that would have Nezhmetinov scratching his head and going "WTF?!"  Even more ridiculous is when someone (or ones) puts "easy" after several earlier posters have already pointed out more or less glaring holes in the given continuation.

25th January 2009, 09:13pm
#19
by perp124
Ct. United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 277

It would be nice if there was a way to display everyone who attempts the puzzle, and if they solved it, or not.  You know.  Your name with a Pass or Fail after it.

25th January 2009, 09:34pm
#20
by DaPharaoh
Gaithersburg, MD United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1361

Whats the big deal? I've never posted in under the puzzles but I think it make this site a little more fun and unique. its nothing to be mad about

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