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Best endgame player ever - Andersson or Smyslov?


  • 14 months ago · Quote · #41

    NimzoRoy

    The greatest endgame players of all time IMHO inc most of the modern World Champions beginning with Lasker on up and maybe excluding Euwe and Tal, who were no slouches in the endgame either but probably not on a par with Smyslov, Fischer, Capablanca, Lasker and most of the other modern WCHs. 

    Among other GMs Akiba Rubinstein is considered to be one of the greatest endgame players ever, esp. excelling in R+P endgames. Geza Maroczy was also considered to be an outstanding endgame player who excelled in Q+P endgames. According to IM Silman (and many others) Bobby Fischer was one of the greatest endgame players ever and is particularly notable for his B+P endings, although Silman is the only source I know of for this interesting nugget.

    I dont buy SmyslovFan's argument Alekhine was any better at endgames than Capablanca, who did the best he (or anyone else) could do in lost endgames vs Alekhine in their 1927 WCH, which were by and large a result of being outplayed in the openings and/or middlegames. An examination of Alekhine's papers after his death in 1946 revealed an unfinished manuscript he was working on - a collection of his arch-rival Capablanca's games, not his own!

    Capablanca was snatched too early from the chess world. With his death we have lost a great chess genius, the like of whom we will never see again.  ALEKHINE

    FUN FACT: Capa's lifetime record vs Alekhine is +11 -7 =32 (3 of Capa's wins were exhibition games, the rest are tnmt and match games)   Aside from the 1927 WCH Alekhine only beat Capa once, at AVRO in 1938

    Shameless self-promotion dept: Check out my blog on Capablanca - Alekhine, Nottingham 1936 with a very unusual 2 rook vs 3 minor piece ending:

    http://www.chess.com/blog/NimzoRoy/3-minor-pieces-vs-2-rooks

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #43

    Aweceons

    great

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #44

    SmyslovFan

    Thanks, Petrosianic, for sharing those games!

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #45

    SmyslovFan

    NimzoRoy wrote:

    ...

    I dont buy SmyslovFan's argument Alekhine was any better at endgames than Capablanca, who did the best he (or anyone else) could do in lost endgames vs Alekhine in their 1927 WCH, which were by and large a result of being outplayed in the openings and/or middlegames. ...

    I never said Alekhin was better than Capablanca in the endgame. I didn't say he was worse either. I used Alekhin's success in the World Championship match to illustrate a point made by Kasparov: Capablanca's mythical endgame dominance was just that, a myth.

    In another thread, I quoted Kasparov at some length where Kasparov argues that Capablanca's endgame technique was shot in the match because Alekhin forced him to defend long hard endgames throughout the match. Kasparov, and many others (including Fischer), have argued that Capablanca's real strength was in simple middlegames rather than the endgame itself.

    I did say that the best endgame player of their generation was Akiba Rubinstein.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #46

    chessBBQ

    Carlsen is the king of endgames

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #47

    Since1883

    I think the best End game was Between Tal Mikhail and Barcza Gedeon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ndEQbGn8yo&list=LLo0T1b1143gwBshYNQIrnpw

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #48

    SchackPetrus

    The endgame player increases further north you go in europe.

    Poland- Akiba Rubenstein

    Germany- Emanuel Lasker

    Sweden- Ulf Anderson 

    Norway- Magnus Carlsen.

  • 3 weeks ago · Quote · #49

    MarcoSalonna

    what about Botvinnik? perhaps not the best endgame player, but surely the best in analyzing adjourned positions

  • 3 weeks ago · Quote · #51

    Zeyrion

    SmyslovFan wrote:

    Here's just one example of Karpov's endgame play without an adjournment. The set focus button didn't work again. Start at move 29.

     

    Isn't that just a draw? I don't understand how Karpov won that game after Nxe7, Kxe7, Kb4..?


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