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I was talking to a guy in his late fifties today, who said he used to play chess in Central Park when he was a young kid. He said he knew that there were people there who were better than Fischer, but never made it out of Central Park because of lack of funds, and nobody to sponsor them. Do you believe this?
No, Fischer made despite lack of funds. He and his mother were poor.
no....if you are as good as Fischer you will be known one way or the other
The story is plausible, but unless the person to whom you were talking was at least *as* good as Fischer, he would just be taking the players' word for it - and they could just be bragging, no?
I'm not saying he was right, but he wasn't just taking somebody's word for it. He's not an idiot which you would have to be to just take their word for it. He says he was twentieth best in the state of New York when he was nine years old, also.
Where you talking to Stan Vaughan?
That guy is funny.
I just wish a higher rated player would give their opinion.
For many years there were players better than Fischer. Fischer wasn't always a top-level GM.
The question is when they were better than Fischer. Fischer played there as a youth. This wasn't world championship Bobby he's talking about in all probability. Also, he is probably talking about speed chess as well.
I guess I'll have to ask him to be more specific.
Fischer was a genius at chess. There are only a few people in a generation with true genius at something. Genius cannot be taught, and no amount of practice or training can make someone into a genius. For example, someone with talent in music can work very hard and become an exceptional musician, but they will not be able to equal the accomplishments of Beethoven or Mozart.
There may have been people in the park who were better than Fischer before he had developed his genius, but not after. If they were that good, they wouldn't have been in the park. They would have been grandmasters.
I understand that. I've made that point about genius many times on here. But what I stated in the original post is that he was saying that they would have been GMs if could afford to go for it.
Again, as was mentioned before... Bobby Fischer himself grew up in abject poverty.
Not that I don't think the guy woodshover spoke to was talking through his ass, but people tend to be more willing to give financial support to a cute little chess wizard from a broken family than a homeless drunk playing in a park
Fischer is on any sane person's top 5 list for all time player strength. His peak was very short, but when he was qualifying for and playing the World Championship he was as dominant as dominant gets. He won his two candidate matches against Tiamonov and Larson both by scores of 6-0. Two of the best contemporary players at the height of their peparation in the most serious of conditions could not even manage a single draw.
No, there were not a bunch of guys "better than Fischer". There were probably numerous park and club players who had great undeveloped potential, who between lack of time, funds, and training resouces could have been better players, serious competive players. But Fischer was a freakin' machine. His brain was wired for chess. He had an almost perfect memory for chess positions, able to recall games he had seen briefly or only read about many months or even years later. He was a master of all apsects of the game.
The guy who told you this doesn't understand the situation.
I'm sure you're right, but I don't believe Fischer grew up in "abject poverty" however. He wasn't rich, but abject poverty is something else all together.
Umm. . . not sure what that has to do with what I wrote. But ok.
I was also answering that other poster who said he grew up in abject poverty. Sort of a two in one thing.
Arctor, you have been sipping too much Irish whiskey. Crawl back in your hole and hibernate---but before you do ---name someone who gave Fischer financial support and wasn't a family member.
raul... you know zip about Fischer and you know zip about chess!!!!!!!
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