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The World and mostly media made fischer to look insane. But really his problem was he thought we were all insane for going along with The Greddy that rule the world whether they are jewish or not he was agaisnt the Evil people not all the regualr jews or regualr people who are taken advantage of. The system of the world seems incredibly stupid corrupt greddy and evil. It must have seemed even more stupid to a genius like fischer who traveled the entire world
Uptight! Whose uptight??! I am not uptight!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that Fischer was a genius at chess doesn't mean that he was well balanced mentally (he wasn't) or that he wasn't anti-semitic (he was).
By the way: There were probably plenty of people better at physics than Einstein when he was nine years old. Anyone want to question whether he was a genius?
Oh my God!!!! I can't believe the misunderstandings here. All I said about being nine years old is this. The guy I was talking to said that when he, himself was nine years old, he was #20 in the state of New York.
Does that mean #20 overall? Number 20 under 18? Number 20 under 13? If its #20 in the state overall thats master level chess, and I don't think so. If its #20 for players under 13 thats a kid with good natural talent and some tactical skills. That does not necessarily translate to continued high level skill as he ages.
Back to the original issue, of there being players "better than Fischer" who never went anywhere because they didn't have a sponser. Fourty years ago chess wasn't very expensive. You didn't need a computer and a hundred dollar an hour grandmaster coach like you do now to play at the highest levels. In New York and the surrounding area there would have been plenty of open tournaments to play in. They would have needed to scrape up an entry fee (not very much) and maybe a train ticket. There would have been clubs to play in to train and meet better players to help you along. This guy is just talking out his rear end.
He said #20 overall. He also said that being a little black kid in 1963 had a lot to do with not being able to get anywhere.
The story is plausible, but unless the person to whom you were talking was at least *as* good as Fischer, he would just be taking the players' word for it - and they could just be bragging, no?
I'm not saying he was right, but he wasn't just taking somebody's word for it. He's not an idiot which you would have to be to just take their word for it. He says he was twentieth best in the state of New York when he was nine years old, also.
Many paranoid and some disordered individuals, particularly the paranoids are neither liers nor idiots;
they are quite a few times more or less correct,thy mostly are absolutely sincere!
However their way of perception or reality is unhealthy and unrealistic; their contact with the reality is very problematic; particularly their judgment about motivations, abilities and opportunities is heavily incorrect and unrealistic; their apperception about justice and crime, about wrong and right, about reasonable actions and excuses is baseless and so on ...though they aren't delusional at all, usually that is... Henceforth I don't trust their judgments about motivations and perspectives, I just trust their testimonies about visible actions and facts! Then I have to "understand" myself the real purposes, the hidden opportunities behind these facts and deeds...
Well, maybe this person of yours, the twentieth best in the State of New York, is envy, is just too jealous of Robert James Fischer; perhaps he is a failure, he came to be just a failure and he just wants to find excuses for this failure of him in external influences and circumstances!
How at hell does he believe that he can understand if a young chess player is better than Fischer, how can he evaluate the depth and the perspectives of the gameplay of a young talent?!? He just can't, he had to be a player at the level of an experienced grandmaster at least (etc) in order to make correctly such judgments!... He obvioulsy isn't, however he is very comfortable with this explanation: some failures aren't just geniuses, they are super-geniuses that were victims of the circumstances, thus they aren't really unworthy... "The proof is that there were some super-geniuses that -unlike the fortunate and lucky sweetheart , that lucky bastard Bobby Fischer- came to be not successful!"
I don't think that there is another infant prodigy -with the exception of Judith Polgar and Magnus Carlsen- who ever produced such a chain of super successes -being a teenager- as Bobby Fischer did...
In at this video of Washington Square Park they say that grandmasters have lost there.
Umm. . . this video shows that a guy in a can suit can beat these guys. I am fairly sure it wasn't Kasparov dressed up as an energy drink either. Not exactly making the case for unrecognized geniuses.
I put this video in a thread about 6 months ago(?) here and no one knew whe the person was in the can. I went as far as sending a email to the company and they never replied.
Couldha, shouldha, wouldha. The world is full of geeks who believe anyone could be Fischer if they tried hard enough. They usually end up rated 1500 USCF or so.
There are a lot of people in the world and it is possible that in Fischer's day there was a great chess genius whose potential went undeveloped. There is no way to prove that this is not the case, but there are very few people with the ability to be world champion. Fischer not only was world champion, he was clearly the best.
It is doubtful that there are recreational players in any park anywhere who play at the level of a world champion. This resembles the argument that there are players in parks who are better at basketball than Michael Jordan (in his prime). I don't think so.
Dont waste time trying to find a greater chess player than Bobby Fischer.
He will , for ever be the king.
I don't know about clearly the best. Don't get me wrong, he was darn good. In his candidate matches he scored two results of 6-0. He beat Spassky. But "best ever"? His candidate matches were against Bent Larson and Taimonov. Good players to be sure, but not exactly Karpov and Kasparov. He did win the Word Championship, but Spassky is probabley one of the overall weaker world champions, maybe with the exception of Euwe the weakest world champion. He wasn't playing Botvinnik in his prime, or Capablanca during his multi-year streak without a loss. And once he won, he refused to continue to compete. Had he been willing to take on a young Karpov, or an up and coming Kasparov, and still been that dominant, then I would be willing to say "best ever." Had he dominated the game for 20 years like Kasparov did, I would be willing to say "best ever." But he didn't. He turned into an antisemitic holocaust denying kook, and hid, and dodged his taxes.
I would be willing to say he had as much natural talent as anyone since Morphy, but in terms of actual concrete accomplishments there are other players with overall careers that impress me more.
Wow I never saw that thread. I hope it wasn't just a publicity stunt...
Yes, I meant that Fischer was clearly the best at the time that he won the world championship. The shortness of his career makes it more difficult to evaluate compared to other great champions. I don't think it is possible to say who was the most gifted player of all time. The most recent players have access to the most developed opening lines and the most updated theory, so their play appears the most sound. They are also more fresh in our minds.
How do you compare the recent champions to Alekhine, for example, who beat everyone including Lasker and Capablanca. I'm not saying that Alekhine was greater than Kasparov, just that he might have been as great, and there is no way to know. He certainly produced his share of brilliant games.
So how do you feel about the chances of a nine year old black kid whose #20 in the state being able to prove his ability in 1963? Too much discrimination?
It could be that a nine year old black kid in 1963 would have been held back by discrimination, or simply by being poor. Hard to say if someone like that had true genius or simply was very talented. Still, there are very few people with the ability of a Fischer.
EDIT: Ha ha! gone already!
@ Arctor looks like the media fooled you too, your not as bright as fischer or me so hence you dont know shit buddy lol. LEt me guess you belive the Twin towers fell down duw to the Airplanes. LOL your a fool in the dark. When you respond please say something intelligent not just NONSENSE AKA (THEY have fooled me)
Please tell me that chessplayers here have not fallen for the oft-debunked 9-11 conspiracy theories. Yes, planes took down the WTC. Duh. Stop watching propaganda films by people who have never had so much as a physics course in college.
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