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Bobby Fischer's Rating


  • 4 months ago · Quote · #61

    najdorf96

    I've already stated, what an talent Magnus is, not just here but in other similiar forums. At hand though...is the question of Bobby's rating. My opinion, is & always has been...Fischer's rating would've been much higher had his generation been the Apex of the Informational Age instead of mine. To achieve such an status without such an advantage, more than eclipses any argument of talent between Carlsen vs Fischer.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #62

    Ronnee

    he is history

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #63

    Nemo96

    Honestly who cares who was better

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #64

    JGambit

    The other unfair part of the debate is who says that magnus would play like he does not how computers not taken over chess. Maybe he would have played in a way that is more pleasing to the layperson. Everything is conjucture.

     Playing extremly sharp chess now can land you in a line that someone has been over with a computer which I would not imagine to be as fun as playing moves that you think are less likely to run into home prep.

    At the top everyone is gunning for you, if I were magnus and I thought I had the best understanding of the game I would do what he does, play lines that wear down the opponent . Cant really fault a guy for being born later and dealing with what is essentially a farther advanced game.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #65

    najdorf96

    Well, honestly, how many people debate between Michael Jordon vs Lebron James? Tiger and Jack N? I'm on record as saying any modern day GM could beat any historical great, which does include Bobby Fischer. It's an opinion, however, and I'm not following it up with wikipedia facts, googled statistics or regurgitating hypothetically alogorithmns to prove anything. "Chessmatics" somehow sounds too artificial an system to standby as an source of proof.

    Obviously, alot of chess fanatics care enough.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #66

    BMeck

    Magnus is an exceptional player and I believe he would beat Fischer rather easily. Why? Because he is from this computer-era of chess. Boring chess wins now-a-days. But for this reason (computers) you cant compare them because it is not fair. But keep in mind Magnus is nowhere near his peak, I feel he will dominate in the future if chess does not become boring to him.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #67

    rigamagician1959

    Carlsen would not beat any of the pre computer world champions. My point is merely the galloping inflation in the rating system. Its become useless. 

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #68

    rigamagician1959

    Najdorf96 I couldn't agree more. Wise words indeed 


    Wink

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #69

    Scottrf

    rigamagician1959 wrote:

    Carlsen would not beat any of the pre computer world champions. My point is merely the galloping inflation in the rating system. Its become useless. 

    Nope, you just still don't understand it.

    Learn about what ratings are designed for and you will realise they are still completely filling their purpose.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #70

    hicetnunc

    najdorf96 wrote:

    I've already stated, what an talent Magnus is, not just here but in other similiar forums. At hand though...is the question of Bobby's rating. My opinion, is & always has been...Fischer's rating would've been much higher had his generation been the Apex of the Informational Age instead of mine. To achieve such an status without such an advantage, more than eclipses any argument of talent between Carlsen vs Fischer.

    Yes and no. The computer also bridges the gap between the very talented and the very hard working.

    The top ratings absolute # depends more on the # of pro players and games than anything else.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #71

    hicetnunc

    rigamagician1959 wrote:

    Carlsen would not beat any of the pre computer world champions. My point is merely the galloping inflation in the rating system. Its become useless. 

    Not sure there's any inflation, but I guess it depends on your definition.

    https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1koiKWVmyl4ULBypAyEcvLWrZiVc79swcwbNKpvEaTbs/edit?usp=sharing

    https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Eeu-xMNWtx6-_A08tUn5sGmHwBPZwpIKdzEB4NCJnYY/edit?usp=sharing

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #72

    Scottrf

    More importantly, the purpose isn't to compare players 30 years apart.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #73

    DjonniDerevnja

    When comparing players 30 years apart we can say that something has changed and probably different types of talents fits different times.

    Magnus is made for our age , and would have done well in other ages too. One of his extra special gifts is the memory. He can remember all positions he has seen. That memory is of course more efficient these days than back in the last century because there are more games to read, and computerized games too.

    Magnus is supercomplete. He has it all. Memory, maths,position, strategy, you name it.

    I dont know Fischer so well, but had he the same?

    Magnus is one the the players in Norway with best understanding of chess. 

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #74

    Scottrf

    DjonniDerevnja wrote:

     

    Magnus is one the the players in Norway with best understanding of chess. 

    Well, yeah. He's also the best in the world.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #75

    JGambit

    I would like to make a prediction, courtesy of Kingscrucher(youtube chess annotator (sp) ).

    capablanca played chess that people thought was unbeatable and frankly getting a bit dry, dynamic alekhine came in and beat him. Botnivik (sp) athough a capable calculater. played positionally at times and the unsound Tal unseated him for a year.

    It seems that with most rational players saying chess is theoretically drawn slow chess is more correct than dynamic wild chess.

    That said even chess engine's sacrifice pawns for piece activity at times and being that we are interested in the human vs human matches primarily I think dynamic chess will take a comfortable place in the chess world again soon.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #76

    rigamagician1959

    I love kingcrusher he is so entertaining. :))

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #77

    Sunshiny

    DjonniDerevnja wrote:

    When comparing players 30 years apart we can say that something has changed and probably different types of talents fits different times.

    Magnus is made for our age , and would have done well in other ages too. One of his extra special gifts is the memory. He can remember all positions he has seen. That memory is of course more efficient these days than back in the last century because there are more games to read, and computerized games too.

    Magnus is supercomplete. He has it all. Memory, maths,position, strategy, you name it.

    I dont know Fischer so well, but had he the same?

    Magnus is one the the players in Norway with best understanding of chess. 

    IMHO Fischer had the same for the decade he was in. It would be lacking compared to the size of the database now. I think if Fischer, with his memory, could continue to study new lines, he'd be up to snuff.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #78

    jlconn

    Dead men memorize no secrets.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #79

    learning2mate

    Sure but dead men talked about on internet can!


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