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9th September 2009, 01:09pm
#1
by pskogli
Afghanistan
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 526

I wonder, why do people play boring chess?

Is it fun to just sit and wait for the opponent to do mistakes?

 

I love chess, but I hate boring games...

 

What can you do when you play against a really boring player? (profylaxe)

-Go for a deadly attack.... It often fails cause a boring player knows his defence and a bold attack is just what he wants.

-Play boring yourself.... often fails too, cause when you love tactics, boring play just makes your brain go to sleep and your opponent find some easy tactics.

-Play safe and be happy with a draw...

 

Thes solution would be to play like: Kasparov, Carlsen and Topalov, but Kramnik did beat Kasparov with the really boring Berliner defence, Leko is still making money on boring chess...

 

Anny tips would make my day :)

9th September 2009, 01:25pm
#2
by Gomer_Pyle
Elmira, NY United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 560

I only got halfway through your post before I got too bored to continue.

9th September 2009, 01:49pm
#3
by pskogli
Afghanistan
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 526
Gomer_Pyle wrote:

I only got halfway through your post before I got too bored to continue.


 I guess you are one of them then...

9th September 2009, 01:54pm
#4
by slack
Nebraska United States
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 1353

If the game is boring for you, try complicating it. Sacrifice a piece, or several pawns.

9th September 2009, 02:20pm
#5
by yeres30
Waipahu, Hawaii United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1349

pskogli of Norway did not play a single game this year.  

Pskogli  four (4) games in July that lasted only - get this - ONE (1) MOVE  and four (4) games that timed out without a single move being played.

9th September 2009, 02:52pm
#6
by Gomer_Pyle
Elmira, NY United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 560
pskogli wrote:

-Go for a deadly attack.... It often fails ...

-Play boring yourself.... often fails too...

Anny tips would make my day :)


It sounds like you're grumbling because you can't beat a solid positional player. I guess the best tip would be to study some positional strategy and learn how to beat it. Positional chess may be slower but there is a lot of tension and depth in it.

10th September 2009, 01:31pm
#7
by pskogli
Afghanistan
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 526

I see your point, but that's not what makes many opponents boring to play against, draw is 0 points in my book, but many players seems to love the half point, they do very little to try to make anny imbalances in the position.

-And a position without imbalances is a dead draw, I love good positional play and endgames, but not players who is afraid of imbalances.

It's not only me who is complayning, a well known norvegian grandmaster faced a not that known norvegian FM, the FM did his best to get rid off anny chances for play even though he was playing with the white pices.

-The strategi did work, the FM got his draw.

So back to my question, what to do with people that love boring chess?

10th September 2009, 01:36pm
#8
by pskogli
Afghanistan
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 526
Matalino wrote:

pskogli of Norway did not play a single game this year.  

Pskogli  four (4) games in July that lasted only - get this - ONE (1) MOVE  and four (4) games that timed out without a single move being played.

Iv've been playing blitz (at http://www.chessclub.com known as ICC) and real life (over the board) chess, the national championchip in Bergen and some other small tournaments.

Maybee I'm starting some slow games again, but I don't take that part to serious.


10th September 2009, 01:43pm
#9
by pskogli
Afghanistan
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 526
slack wrote:

If the game is boring for you, try complicating it. Sacrifice a piece, or several pawns.


 I have done that many times, it's really fun when it pays off, but it does "stink big time" when it fails and the boring part makes his day...

 

Is it only me who keeps facing boring opponents?

Maybee I'm a "tactic freak" that need much more action in a game than others.

I do love winning slow positional games, deep calculation's makes me feel great :)

10th September 2009, 05:51pm
#10
by Gomer_Pyle
Elmira, NY United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 560

I don't like drawing either but I'll take a draw over a loss. I'll usually work toward some type of imbalance but if things start going badly I'll try steer toward a draw rather than take a loss.

In your example of a GM and FM, the FM was an underdog. He was expected to lose. By working toward a draw against a GM from the beginning he probably improved his ratings.

Pure tactics is like action movies with special effects and explosions. Positional play is like suspense thrillers where the tension slowly builds to a climax (or somebody's nerves give out). A chess game can be either or any combination of both. It's all good and everybody has their preference.

11th September 2009, 12:23pm
#11
by pskogli
Afghanistan
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 526

I agree with you, and has allways been, but somehow I don't think I've managed to explain what I mean.

Positional or tactical it's not the point, I love both, the boring part is when you cant find anny imbalances that works for you... Of course it's partly my own foult if I let my opponent kill all hope for a good fight (positionla/tactical)

I don't cry over a lost game, I know that I'm not the best player in the world, but in my mind chess is a war game, it should be a real fight "kill the king" :)

-I'm just wondering, what is the best "solution" ??

11th September 2009, 02:12pm
#12
by Gomer_Pyle
Elmira, NY United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 560

I'm not sure I can help you there. I'm sure everyone, regardless of their level, reaches positions where they just don't know what to do. A sacrifice to create some play usually livens things up, but not always for the better. Sometimes you just pick a spot that "feels" right and make a play there without analyzing all the lines to see if each and every one is good. There's nothing like walking a tightrope in the dark without a net for spicing up a game. :D

In making tactical dispositions, the highest pitch you can attain is to conceal them. - Sun Tzu

11th September 2009, 02:17pm
#13
by pskogli
Afghanistan
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 526
Gomer_Pyle wrote:

I'm not sure I can help you there. I'm sure everyone, regardless of their level, reaches positions where they just don't know what to do. A sacrifice to create some play usually livens things up, but not always for the better. Sometimes you just pick a spot that "feels" right and make a play there without analyzing all the lines to see if each and every one is good. There's nothing like walking a tightrope in the dark without a net for spicing up a game. :D

In making tactical dispositions, the highest pitch you can attain is to conceal them. - Sun Tzu


 Thanks! I'll sleep on it, and try it in my next "boring" game :)

11th September 2009, 02:24pm
#14
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 6628
De ja vu? Anyway that's the point usually. Not only are you psychologically flustered because there are no tactics about, but now you have to fight urge to make dangerous moves just to change the game. That's why the exchange French is popular at club level. You are unable to play your game and must play their's. You just have to stay focused. Otherwise your opponent is already winning the psychological battle.
11th September 2009, 02:50pm
#15
by pskogli
Afghanistan
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 526

Players like me, way under 2000, need fun to stay motivated, I dont find much joy in remembering long opening lines, I hate using them even when they works.

I find most fun when I have a clear plan, and my opponent knows it, he defends, the game goes from side to side, new plans comes to our minds and nothing else matters, just us and the board.

Whos winnig doesent matter that much, the feeling "I played some good chess" is what I love :)

11th September 2009, 02:58pm
#16
by slack
Nebraska United States
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 1353

Sounds like you might enjoy 960 chess. Ever tried it?

11th September 2009, 03:06pm
#17
by pskogli
Afghanistan
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 526
slack wrote:

Sounds like you might enjoy 960 chess. Ever tried it?


 No, but I like the idea, wasn't it Ficher who invented it?

Somehow I dont feel bad for the opening part annymore, no I haven't been studying :) but I've found that good positional play and long calculations works fine :)

11th September 2009, 03:41pm
#18
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 6628
You could play loads of gambits and then you could always have an exciting game. Vs. 1.d4 though it's kinda tricky.
11th September 2009, 03:48pm
#19
by Elubas
United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 7816
slack wrote:

If the game is boring for you, try complicating it. Sacrifice a piece, or several pawns.


If you do that for the sake of being complicated, that's where really unsound moves come from. People like kasparov can do that stuff sometimes, but you have to be very careful about that. Anyways, to the op, what exactly do you find boring in games you consider boring? Is it positional chess or just playing for a draw?

11th September 2009, 04:03pm
#20
by pskogli
Afghanistan
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 526

With boring I mean when my opponent doesent try his best to win the game, he just waits for me to do mistakes, and if he can exchange a pice, he does, happyli down to an endgame that gives nothing to anny of us.

If thats not boring, what is? I have been meeting this even from players ranked way higer than me. Sometimes they even tells me that they felt it was an exiting game!!

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