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1st April 2008, 10:30pm
#1
by LisaV
Tenerife Canary Islands
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 859

I hope this discussion helps others, too.

 

Attack. 

 

When I hit a middle game where I am looking at opponents' pieces that are defended, coordinated, not blocking each other, etc.....I haven't a clue how to plan an attack.  I try to move my pieces to the best squares (not to squares where I hope for a blunder), shrug my shoulders, and see how the game evolves.  Seems too passive to me. 

 

In other games, I do aim pieces at a square, pawn, piece, king, etc. only to see the idea fizz many times.

 

What am I missing?  (Kasparov's brain, yes, but aside from that.)

 

My vitals--I'm hovering around 1500 on here (for the moment, at least).  I don't know a Ruy-Lopez from a Rui Costa.  "Win the Middle" is about all the coaching I've had.  The 40 games I've played on here is probably double the number I've played in my life.

 

Any thoughts would be most welcome.  Thanks in advance!


1st April 2008, 10:41pm
#2
by NM tonydal
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4768
Well, I'd say if you've played less than a hundred games in your life and your rating is 1500, you're doing pretty good.  Other than playing more (a lot more), my suggestion would be to find a reasonably clear introduction to the game--opening, middlegames and endgames.  In my day I used The Complete Chessplayer (I think it was called) by Fred Reinfeld.  I'm sure they have some recent good books like that too.  Once you learn what the Ruy Lopez is (and things like how to plan) your rating should go up and up.
2nd April 2008, 07:30am
#3
by LisaV
Tenerife Canary Islands
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 859

Thank you for your help, Tony!

 

Open to other perspectives, too.  Got something?  Let us know!


2nd April 2008, 07:40am
#4
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4181
There is an excellent book on Attack : The Art of Attack by Vukovic, it helped me a lot when I was under 1800 to go above 1800 but at about the same time I studied My System by Nimzovich , in the year that I studied My System my rating gained 300 points otb elo.
2nd April 2008, 07:42am
#5
by attaxk
Athens Greece
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 128
My idea is just have fun, dont let the game rule you. You rule the game i.e. what moves should I play, should I attack, should I defend. Maybe the reason you cant find a plan to attack is because this is not your style. Dont forget that Kasparov has played thousands of games, has studied chess the 'only god knows' amount of hours. Basically its all he did. If you play it for fun, ok maybe study some openings and solve some puzzles, it will come naturally. That's my advice, all the rest, even the rating is of minor importance.
2nd April 2008, 01:28pm
#6
by LisaV
Tenerife Canary Islands
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 859

You all are great!  Thanks for your input.

 

Anybody else?  Would love to hear it!

 

 


2nd April 2008, 01:45pm
#7
by gramos9956
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 1009

Hi Lisa,

 

You might want to check out the lessons section of chesskids.com.  A friend of mine e-mailed me a page with links to the lessons.  I pasted it below.

 

The lessons are for people of all ages.  I have been taking the lessons, and I am learning a lot!

 

Hope this helps!  Good luck!

Take care,

George

  

www.chesskids.com

CHESSKIDSACADEMY LESSONS The SCHOOL section of our KIDS' ZONE offers an online interactive chess course.

This course is designed mainly for young kids to work through with their parents but it has also been used by beginners of all levels.

The course is divided into 9 classes, each of which could correspond to a 10-week term at a school chess club. If you want to work through faster than that feel free to do so.

The first three classes will teach you the rules and basic principles of the game. The entire course will provide you with everything you need to know to take part in adult club or tournament chess.

You can also reach the individual lessons from here:

The Board and the Pieces
The Rook Move
The Bishop Move
The Queen Move
The King Move
The Knight Move
The Pawn Move

Check and Checkmate
Typical Checkmates
Stalemate
Castling
Pawn Promotion
En Passant
Other Ways to Win and Draw

The Names of the Squares
The Values of the Pieces
Looking for Captures
Attacks, Defenses and Threats
Looking for Checkmates
Basic Opening Principles
The Two Rooks Checkmate
More About Notation
Scholar's Mate Part 1
Scbolar's Mate Part 2
Further Opening Principles
Learning About Forks
Learning About Pins and Skewers
The King and Queen Checkmate

The Fatal Diagonal
The Black Queen's Walkabout
Your First Openings
Queen Forks
Back Rank Mates
Discovered Attacks
The King and Rook Checkmate

The Double Freddie
Explosion on f7
The Italian Game
The Fork Trick
The Two Knights Defense
The Fork Trick
Pawn Endings 1
The Ruy Lopez
The Castled King
Pawn Endings 2
Pawn Formations
The Petroff Defense
Mating Combinations
Pawn Endings 3

Gambits
Sacrificial Combinations
Queen Endings
Chess Strategy: Pieces
French & Sicilian Defenses
Looking Ahead
Rook Endings

Queen's Gambit
Minor Piece Endings
Chess History 1
Other Openings
Endgame Studies
Chess History 2
The Final Challenge
What Next?


But as well as technical knowledge beginners need to develop cognitive skills to put that knowledge into practics. This is best done by solving puzzles and quizzes. In the main part of the Kids' Zone the lessons are interspersed with quizzes and games designed to reinforce the content of the lessons.

We also have a series of coaching books available with lessons suitable either for school chess clubs or for parents and children to work through at home.

These books are currently free, but donations are welcome. Visit our LIBRARY to see for yourself what's available.

 

 

 


2nd April 2008, 04:07pm
#8
by LisaV
Tenerife Canary Islands
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 859

Thanks for the link, gramos!  Looks comprehensive.

 

Again, calls for more.  If you are simply reading this thread, perhaps you could drop a post to let me/the rest of us (?) know if a topic like this is helpful to you.

 

Gracias! 


3rd April 2008, 06:18pm
#9
by gramos9956
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 1009

You're welcome, Lisa.

George


3rd April 2008, 06:55pm
#10
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

If you decide to tackle "My System"--a classic book on chess strategy--there's a chess.com reading group forming that's about to work through it. I've also used and also highly recommend the Chess Kids lessons--although My System, How to Reassess Your Chess, or Art of Attack (advanced) more directly address the problem you're having.

 

Good luck and have fun.  :) 


3rd April 2008, 07:34pm
#11
by batgirl
NC United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 4458

"When I hit a middle game where I am looking at opponents' pieces that are defended, coordinated, not blocking each other, etc.....I haven't a clue how to plan an attack."

 

Perhaps because you have no right to attack. Before you can attack, you must have an advantage, even if it's just a temporal one and only in that area of the board.  Using the old Steinitz principle of accumulated advantages, you start with a teeny tiny advantage and use it as leverage to gain a slight advantage which in turn you leverage for a greater advantage, etc. until an attack is warranted.

 

Another thing is recognizing advantages/weaknesses. This falls under tactics, I believe. It dosn't help to have an advange if you can't recognize it.  Teichmann said chess is 99% tactics. Who knows about the math, but the idea is reasonable. Study tactics religiously and you'll see positions more clearly and recognize more often, and more accurately, what needs to be done in many situations.


3rd April 2008, 08:51pm
#12
by ericmittens
London, ON Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1876
Do tons of tactical exercises and read Art of Attack. Also, play some sharp attacking gambit openings. You'll get your chances Laughing
3rd April 2008, 09:11pm
#13
by LisaV
Tenerife Canary Islands
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 859
batgirl wrote:

Perhaps because you have no right to attack. Before you can attack, you must have an advantage, even if it's just a temporal one and only in that area of the board.  Using the old Steinitz principle of accumulated advantages, you start with a teeny tiny advantage and use it as leverage to gain a slight advantage which in turn you leverage for a greater advantage, etc. until an attack is warranted.

Another thing is recognizing advantages/weaknesses. This falls under tactics, I believe. It dosn't help to have an advange if you can't recognize it.  Teichmann said chess is 99% tactics. Who knows about the math, but the idea is reasonable. Study tactics religiously and you'll see positions more clearly and recognize more often, and more accurately, what needs to be done in many situations.


Thanks to everybody!

 

Perhaps I need to read Steinitz, but I'm confounded about how to *create* advantages.  Maybe Steinitz and the sources cited above address this concern, maybe the mere movement of pieces creates weaknesses that practice with tactics expose as advantages.  ???

 

Any thoughts?


3rd April 2008, 09:19pm
#14
by Aristokatt
UPPER STRATOSPHERE United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1913
ANYTHING! To keep from looseing to me!
3rd April 2008, 09:30pm
#15
by LisaV
Tenerife Canary Islands
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 859
lol
3rd April 2008, 09:35pm
#16
by ericmittens
London, ON Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1876
Err....I would suggest not going over the games of Steinitz to learn how to attack Tongue out
3rd April 2008, 09:56pm
#17
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

In most positions, both sides have advantages. For example, in the position below, White's up a pawn, but Black has a slight lead in development (his knight on f6) and he has the initiative (his queen and knight are threatening White's d5 pawn). Strategy is about recognizing these imbalances, and forming plans to maximize your own advantages while minimizing your opponent's advantages. Material-winning tactics usually flow from superior positions... although they can also occur due to oversights especially at faster time controls or between lower-rated opponents.

 

 

 


3rd April 2008, 09:58pm
#18
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

I would suggest not going over the games of Steinitz to learn how to attack

 

lol. Good point, although he did made one of the most stunning attacks in chess history (As you know of course, this game is featured in the "Art of Attack").

 


4th April 2008, 02:40am
#19
by batgirl
NC United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 4458

" I would suggest not going over the games of Steinitz to learn how to attack"

 

...misses the point.  

 

Since Steinitz postulated earning the right to attack, he never attacked until he felt his advantages warranted such.   He had a strange, but generally effective defensive technique and such a winning record that essentially proved most attacks were faulty.   Before developing his principles he was known as the "Austrian Morphy" from which you can surmise that he was indeed a capable and successful attacker and understood attacking very well - yet changed his own style.   So, in studying Steinitz' games you can learn a great deal about attacking,  particularly the appreciation that attacks aren't always advisable (unless you're playing blitz)  and that often even successful attacks say more about the defender's lack of skill than about the attacker's  wisdom. Seeing a premature attack repulsed is a better learning experience in understanding attacks than in seeing unwarranted attacks succeed due to lack of defensive skill. 

 

Quiet position such as this topic asks about generally don't call for attacks and trying to force the issue is generally not a wise decision  unless there is some feature in that quiet position that give a player a temporal advantage that he must use. Hence, you must study tactics relentlessly.  As likesforst implied, tactics flow from postion and they flow because positions are fluid.  Meanwhile one tries to improve one's position and this, barring mistakes, is usually a tedious process. 


4th April 2008, 03:02am
#20
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4181
A huge part of the problem is the opponent....the opponent is ALWAYS very annoying!  Smile
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