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Carlsen Drops Out of WC Cycle!


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #181

    rooperi

    Elubas wrote:

    Of course, if the world champ has an advantage (playing less matches), then one could argue that it wouldn't accurately represent the best player because the challenger may not be playing in top form. On the other hand, what would be the point of world champ when the crown would be so easy to lose?


    What would be the the value of a 10 or 20 year reign if the crown would be so easy to keep? Laughing

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #182

    Elubas

    I dunno

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #183

    ivandh

    I don't think many kings gave up their crowns because they didn't feel worthy of keeping them.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #185

    Elubas

    Not really.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #186

    jesterville

    Carlsen may be boxed in. He refuses to play until the rules change...and some of the top players do not support him. If enough top GMs favour the "match play" then according to FIDE, they will be forced to keep it after the current cycle. Thus, Carlsen will either have to "change his mind" ( and look like an idiot )...or remain on the fringe...

    ...either way this turns out...the kid really knows how to draw a crowd.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #188

    Tricklev

    jesterville wrote:

    Carlsen may be boxed in. He refuses to play until the rules change...and some of the top players do not support him. If enough top GMs favour the "match play" then according to FIDE, they will be forced to keep it after the current cycle. Thus, Carlsen will either have to "change his mind" ( and look like an idiot )...or remain on the fringe...

    ...either way this turns out...the kid really knows how to draw a crowd.


    I'm not sure if you actually read the letter, no where in it is Carlsen mentioning the things you speak of. Refuses to play in a match? He didn't say, he only said he would leave the 2008-2012 cycle.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #189

    Elubas

    Manymercsmike:

    Carlsen seems extremely mature about his chess, despite a small recent slump (perfectly natural!). Really, the fact that he got to 2800 so quick says absolutely everything, and I don't think his maturity of handling a match would be any problem, whatsoever! You can't get to 2800 without incredible maturity, that is if you're 19 (or is it 20?); prodigies can often make it to grandmaster level, but to go beyond to any where near a world champion requires insane dedication for anyone. It is impossible to be a 2800 just by riding on your talent. Yes he hasn't played in matches, but I don't think that he's in any way "not ready" for match play. I'm sure he would be happy with preparing all kinds of stuff, it's just what 2800s like to do. The only problem in my eyes that comes with his youth is simply his lack of experience, but as you're still just playing chess, I don't think that is such a huge disadvantage.

    I think it's something he will have to adjust to, sure, but he should be able to do so well enough, and for the most part his chess can do the talking.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #190

    kco

    I thought Carlsen played well at Nanjing which is matchplay ?

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #191

    trysts

    Nanjing was a round-robin tournament.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #192

    kco

    trysts wrote:

    Nanjing was a round-robin tournament.


     lol you actually follow the tournaments.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #193

    trysts

    kco wrote:
    trysts wrote:

    Nanjing was a round-robin tournament.


     lol you actually follow the tournaments.


    Why is it funny that I follow the tournaments?

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #194

    jesterville

    tricklev wrote-

    http://cssjs.chesscomfiles.com/images/icons/custom/quote.gif); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #d7d7d0; color: #444444; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 6px; padding-bottom: 6px; padding-left: 24px; display: block; font-family: Arial; background-position: 4px 4px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; margin: 6px; border: 1px solid #bcbcb3;">jesterville wrote:

    Carlsen may be boxed in. He refuses to play until the rules change...and some of the top players do not support him. If enough top GMs favour the "match play" then according to FIDE, they will be forced to keep it after the current cycle. Thus, Carlsen will either have to "change his mind" ( and look like an idiot )...or remain on the fringe...

    ...either way this turns out...the kid really knows how to draw a crowd.

    I'm not sure if you actually read the letter, no where in it is Carlsen mentioning the things you speak of. Refuses to play in a match? He didn't say, he only said he would leave the 2008-2012 cycle.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I beg to defer.

    He has indicated to FIDE that he will not participate in the upcoming Candidates Matches which will lead up to the WCC. He has thus refused to play. He goes on to explain that the reason why he has decided not to participate, is because the current format offers the current champion an unfair advantage. Clearly, if the current format remains unchanged, then his reasons for not playing remains. He then proposes an alternative format which he  thinks to be more acceptable. And, his last statement clearly says "My current plan is to continue to participate in well-organised top-level tournaments and try to maintain the no.1 spot..."

    Clearly, you have a different opinion of what he said. Please share.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #195

    beardogjones

    Carlsen will NEVER be World Champion and he knows it, thus the charade.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #196

    Estragon

    Reb wrote:

    Will there be candidates matches to determine a challenger or a candidates tournament ? 


    Matches, but only four games each at classic times, then tiebreakers.  They are too short to be truly representative (many players are slow starters, and would be doomed), but at least it is a head-to-head match series again.  (The Final might be six games, FIDE changes the rules so often it is hard to keep up).

    The problem is sponsorship.  It's hard enough to get the sponsors for the WC Match; no one seems anxious to back the play-ins.  In the '60s and '70s, the matches were longer, and held in separate locations.  Now they can only manage it as a single site.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #197

    kco

    How many peoples play in the matches ?

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #198

    kenneth67

    Noun 1. chess matchchess match - a match between chess players        
    match - a formal contest in which two or more persons or teams compete

    I think we need to clarify "match" - I am not too familiar with the qualifying process for the WCC, but when we talk about "match" we mean a series of games between two players, right? 

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #199

    PrawnEatsPrawn

    Yes, the word has two chess meanings, in this context a head-to-head encounter between individuals is meant.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #200

    Tricklev

    jesterville wrote:

    tricklev wrote-

     

    http://cssjs.chesscomfiles.com/images/icons/custom/quote.gif); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: #d7d7d0; color: #444444; padding-top: 6px; padding-right: 6px; padding-bottom: 6px; padding-left: 24px; display: block; font-family: Arial; background-position: 4px 4px; background-repeat: no-repeat no-repeat; margin: 6px; border: 1px solid #bcbcb3;">jesterville wrote:

    Carlsen may be boxed in. He refuses to play until the rules change...and some of the top players do not support him. If enough top GMs favour the "match play" then according to FIDE, they will be forced to keep it after the current cycle. Thus, Carlsen will either have to "change his mind" ( and look like an idiot )...or remain on the fringe...

    ...either way this turns out...the kid really knows how to draw a crowd.

    I'm not sure if you actually read the letter, no where in it is Carlsen mentioning the things you speak of. Refuses to play in a match? He didn't say, he only said he would leave the 2008-2012 cycle.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I beg to defer.

    He has indicated to FIDE that he will not participate in the upcoming Candidates Matches which will lead up to the WCC. He has thus refused to play. He goes on to explain that the reason why he has decided not to participate, is because the current format offers the current champion an unfair advantage. Clearly, if the current format remains unchanged, then his reasons for not playing remains. He then proposes an alternative format which he  thinks to be more acceptable. And, his last statement clearly says "My current plan is to continue to participate in well-organised top-level tournaments and try to maintain the no.1 spot..."

    Clearly, you have a different opinion of what he said. Please share.


    I think reading comprehension might be the problem here.

    I won't take part in this WC cycle.

    I will instead focus on keeping my Nr1 spot in the ratings.

    Neither of the above quotes mean he refuses to take part in any WC cycle until his suggestions and preferences are the law.


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