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1st June 2008, 05:21pm
#1
by cheater_1
Midwest United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 422

This is gonna be a long one. I know that no one here trusts a word I say, so I know all this typing I do will be dismissed by you all with comments like, "BS" or "its all lies", etc. You know me, I dont care about anything, and actually like the confrontation, so believe me or not, I care not. What follows is the truth.

I have been called out by the team chess.com leader, WEBGOGS, to reveal myself (like I'm someone important). I feel I owe it to you all, and your captain, to at least let you into what this was all about. Oddly enough, my defeat speech is pretty darn close to what my victory speech was going to be. Oh, I was going to gloat for weeks upon weeks, so I expect you to all do the same, but I was also going to let you all in on something. It would have been much sweeter if I would have won, but it makes no difference now. This will be like taking the mask off Darth Vader and seeing nothing but a pathetic man underneath. It will be a letdown and anti-climactic for a lot of you.

This was an experiment. I'm sorry to say that you all were my guinea pigs, but it was a 2 part experiment. Part 1 was an experiment in control and manipulation and acting. Part 2 was an experiment in technology. You may ask why I chose do even do all this...well......boredom is a good answer.

EXPERIMENT #1 Most of what I have said about myself earlier is true. I am a man in my early 40's from Wisconsin, USA. I have been playing chess for over 30 years. I am truly and utterly bored with it, much as the late Bobby Fischer had become. I hit a ceiling of about 1900 USCF. I have played in USCF tourneys, but no longer do. In the late 80's I became frustrated with my lack of progress and got sort of a bad-boy reputation in the local chess scene. I gave up chess for 5 years or so, and with the advent of internet chess, got back into it. I played legit for a short while, and started getting hammered routinely. I then got the bright idea to use my gameboy chessmaster to play a game for me, then graduated to CM5000, etc. etc. I found it entertaining to assume the A**hole personality instead of the nice guy personality. Much more attention is paid to the jerk than the good guy.

Once I discovered this site, I ressurected my cheater_1 personality, put back on the costume, and decided to see how far I could take it before something happened. This persona is actually an extension of my real life personality. I really am not a nice guy. Other than my close friends (2 or 3) and my family, I really wouldnt care if everyone got cancer and died tomorrow. Harsh, I know, but that's who I am. I am a misanthrope..I hate people. I really enjoy ticking people off, getting under their skin and seeing if I can get them to do things that they normally wouldnt do. I brought out the worst in a lot of people here. An acquaintance of mine once told me I could get the Pope to take the Lord's name in vain in about 5 minutes. Other's told me I should get a radio talk show.

I am fascinated by characters like Hannibal Lector and Anthony Hopkins who played him. The evil genius who manilpulates people to his own ways. Combine all that with chess, and you get cheater_1. But, as you have seen, as you have demonstrated, good always triumphs over evil in the end.

EXPERIMENT #2 This is the most important of my experiments. Technology. I lied to you all chess.com (surprise!) You were not playing Chessmaster and Fritz and Rebel Tiger. Raise your hands if you all believed you were. 93% eh? Good. Well, as I said earlier, I work in the Information Technology field. I absolutely love chess programs...more so than the game of chess. I remember playing Sargon vs some other generic chess program in the early 80's and got hooked on chess programs. A few of my coworkers also love chess and computers and we decided to write a chess program of our own. Over the last 5 years or so, we continually reworked and retested our engine in order to make it better. The program that you played, and beat, was called Cannibal 36.

 Cannibal 36 is the 36th version of a program that we built. Now there is a need for version 37 it seems. Oh, I could have just loaded Rybka 2.3 and played you all, but I had other reasons. Priority 1 was to test my chess program and priority 2 was to win. I'm not downplaying my loss.....I'm mad as Hell!! I wanted to test my program against a wide array of people and would say whatever it took to do so. That's why I got upset when only several people decided on the move to be made and the rest of you followed mindlessly.

Cannibal 36 is my little pet project spanning many years and is not available as freeware or shareware, etc. The name originated because It was constructed by cannibalizing many different program codes (it is not built from scratch) and it likes to eat material. It is a monsterous program consisting of 4 cd's of info.....mostly databases. The engine is part Fruit, part Hiarcs, part Fritz, part Chessmaster, and part Rebel.

In our little vote chess game, I basically played the Fritz opening book with Millions upon millions of learned saved games. That's why I went up a pawn so early..the book is set up to sacrifice position for material. For the record, Cannibal 36 has beaten every single program out there at least once. Yes, it has beaten Rybka 2.3 and it has beaten Deep Fritz and the highest ranking USCF player it has ever beaten was rated over 2500. It's problem is that it is not consistent. In 10 games with those powerhouses, it might win 3, lose 5, and draw 2. I was banking on it beating chess.com handily. The engine is a modified version of Fruit 2.3.1 with the aggressive, material gobbling traits of Rebel thrown in. Basically, it does a brute force deep search, disregarding many moves and frequently hitting ply 25 quite easily. That's the "selectivity" function you see on many programs. I was hoping it would make it a little farther to take advantage of the huge endgame databases, but it was not to be.

Let's talk about move 35 Bxh3. Once it made that move, I gasped. An average player can see the consequences of move 36 G4, trapping the bishop. I never once second guessed my program but I did now. I adjusted a few settings and let it rethink for a few hours....35 BxH3 again. For the one and only time, I booted up Rybka and Fritz to get a second opinion. 35 Kh6 is what I got on both. I debated for a long time on this but decided to let my program play it out, hoping that it saw some miraculous line that neither me nor the other progs saw. It didn't. It was a blunder, pure and simple. A pure garbage move.

Indeed, I now fully acknowledge that this game was lost for me after move 35. I played it out with Rybka as black and my prog as white and vice versa and black lost far more times than even ERIK suggested.

This is an ongoing process for me. I have no hopes of ever creating the next Rybka, but it is a fun pasttime for me...far more fun than straining my brain for 4 hours over the board. Please dont ask me to help you write a chess program or give you advice. It really isnt that hard, but it requires some computer knowledge. I even took the easy way out on that part by cannibalizing existing programs. Do a google search on "free uci engines" or go to superchessengine.com and you'll see an entire world exists out there devoted to chess engines and programming and prog vs prog play.

Sometime in the coming months Cannibal 37 will be complete. Perhaps we can have another game team chess.com. But now you know where I stand. Maybe all the allure of who I am is now gone. Once again, I don't care. But I hope to elevate my 30% win ratio with Rybka to at least 40% with the 37th version.

Thanks to chess.com for letting me play this game, even though I carefully plotted and schemed to get it to happen. Thanks to all the guinea pigs who played. You played well.


1st June 2008, 05:31pm
#2
by LATITUDE
USA United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 338

The Horror, the Horror….


1st June 2008, 05:33pm
#3
by grensley
Minnesota United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 275

I don't like the arrogant stage presence, but the program sounds pretty cool.  Good luck.

The personality made you sound lazy, but it seems that you are not.  (Well, besides not writing your own code).  You are an odd one.

why doesn't your program have a set ply? 

Which accounts are your aliases? 

 


1st June 2008, 05:35pm
#4
by KevZho
Seattle United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 155
Why did you give up? You were winning, cheater_1!
1st June 2008, 05:38pm
#5
by gdal_muriel
New York City United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 33
Well, I for one was entertained by your speech. Good luck with that Canibal 37!
1st June 2008, 05:39pm
#6
by wormrose
Lake Tahoe, NV United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 197
cheaters never win - winners never cheat
1st June 2008, 05:40pm
#7
by Benkobaby
Seattle, USA Australia
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 2001
Cheater - Your an insecure little man - small - the intellectual equivalent of a limp wristed, hand bag carrying, flame out. Your dull - oh so very DULL!
1st June 2008, 05:41pm
#8
by cheater_1
Midwest United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 422

KEVZHO I WAS winning by a score of .37 BEFORE move 35. After 35, I hate to say it, I would have lost with team Rybka.com's perfect play.

Grensley, my neighbor to the west, I suppose we could incorporate a set depth search, whether or not it makes it stronger is ? My account aliases....now that's something I'll never tell.

BENKO...jealousy is not a becoming trait of yours. Learn to manage it.


1st June 2008, 05:43pm
#9
by benws
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1209

tricked us all, eh? well you did good. i was wondering when you were going to admit you were losing. good luck on the program.

ps your speech was nice. i have some more respect for you now.


1st June 2008, 05:49pm
#10
by KevZho
Seattle United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 155
cheater_1 wrote:

KEVZHO I WAS winning by a score of .37 BEFORE move 35. After 35, I hate to say it, I would have lost with team Rybka.com's perfect play.

Grensley, my neighbor to the west, I suppose we could incorporate a set depth search, whether or not it makes it stronger is ? My account aliases....now that's something I'll never tell.

BENKO...jealousy is not a becoming trait of yours. Learn to manage it.


O.K.


1st June 2008, 05:53pm
#11
by Evil_Homer
Dublin Ireland
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 997

Actually, what happened here was cheater expected us to cheat via a program and we just moved up,using webgogs as an entry king. I personally credit him with our win, long live webgogs, cheater one is dead.


1st June 2008, 05:57pm
#12
by add
chardon United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 1327
KevZho wrote: Why did you give up? You were winning, cheater_1!

i completely agree, plus you really get people pssd and thats always funny


1st June 2008, 07:17pm
#13
by Niven42
West Lafayette, Indiana United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 271

MY GREATEST WISH:  Cheater vs. 10 Chess.com opponents in simultaneous exhibition, computer assistance allowed!  I really want to see what sort of damage the Cannibal can do!

 

Seriously, I'd still bank on the draw.  The math says Draw is the most likely result as progs get better and better.


1st June 2008, 07:40pm
#14
by cheater_1
Midwest United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 422
Now you're talking!!!!
1st June 2008, 07:49pm
#15
by Marshal_Dillon
New Jersey United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 398
You need to adjust your programs penchant for grabbing material or else it will fall into every gambit and trap that is thrown at it because all it will see is the free pawn or whatever and nothing beyond which was probably why it kept telling you Bxh3 was the move. 
1st June 2008, 07:55pm
#16
by depthshaman
United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 271
interesting. You still can't be trusted though. Its the internet. Nothing anyone says can be believed.
1st June 2008, 07:59pm
#17
by Masterful_Forfeit
Saskatoon Canada
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 129

What HAPPENED to all THE capital letters?

The Vader voice just don't work no more... 


2nd June 2008, 02:41am
#18
by Clownfish
Uppsala Sweden
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 196

Yawn, what a silly speech! It's easy to say "as I have foreseen" AFTER something has taken place. It's typical juvenile behaviour to always claim that apparent bloopers were intended, just to look better.

 You're still full of illusions, cheater. Comparing yourself and the unveiling of your inferior program to Darth Vader, as if you were someone mighty, scary, powerful character. Perhaps some kids on this site saw you like that, but no others! Your amusing attempts to seem important become apparent in referrals like "I am truly and utterly bored with it, much as the late Bobby Fischer had become". Aah, you're a little like Bobby Fischer, are you?! Did you know, I eat vegetables, much like Albert Einstein did!

 And we're all your guinea pigs, right, since you have such great manipulative powers? You see, most of your lies were never believed by anyone, your claims to greatness only mocked, and the inconsistency of your arguments and excuses exposed the voidness of your persona. This sounds more like an amusing cocky dwarf clown in the circus ring, shouting at the audience "You're all my little guinea pigs"!

 It seems you still need many years of studies of evil psychopaths like fictional Hannibal Lector, Mr. Ripley or the real Rasputin, Hitler and Stalin, before you become an "evil genius". Eating people might be an easier way to fame than mastering chess, though...


2nd June 2008, 03:07am
#19
by Munchies
United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 151
I certainly enjoyed watching all the snobbish characters on this site get their little feathers ruffled. Chess people are easy to taunt with their either large or fragile egos. Thanks for the entertainment.
2nd June 2008, 03:57am
#20
by Baseballfan
Durham, North Carolina United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 900
Cheater_1, as someone who has taken issue with some of the things you have said/done around here, both publicly and privately, let me say that I do believe you. I have a question for you (and no, I wont ask you to help me write my own), you said that Cannibal is not available, do you ever plan to change that? Do you plan to release it (publically or commercially) once you reach a certain strength maybe?
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