AnyOne, you obviously only have a passing knowledge of the game, and an elementary knowledge of the concept of luck.
Any way, you didn't answer to my question. So ..
I'm not where to try to change people mind because I realized thats impossible with chess players, so I dont know what I'm doing, because thats the only thing I'm goss at. So, see you
Well please explain to me how you can think 10 hands ahead without having the slightest idea of what cards you will have for all 10 of those hands?
Honestly..
I don't think Drcruiser ment that poker pros know what cards they and their opponents will have the next hands. I think he ment something like that they try to use different strategies, like folding all the time or play all hands, to trick their opponents into thinking they know what hand they've got, if they're bluffing etc.
I wish I could count cards in black jack.
I don't see chess to be included in the Olympics and I don't think it should be since chess has its own "movements" already in existence, like FIDE and the USCF, etc. I just don't think it's necessary. Anyways, if chess does become part of the Olympics, I would definitely watch the television more often.
Kupov. Don't worry, you are not alone in this arguement. I, along with most of the people that have understood your arguement correctly from the start I am sure, agree with you.
And for some reason your competitors still seem to think that a feeble arguement about a totally unfounded gap in your ability to play poker will win the arguement.
I think the highlight of my enjoyment in this thread was the rather wonderful statement: "and kupov are u retarded=BASEBALL DOES NOT START WITH A COIN FLIP!!" Not only was it not you that brought it up, it also makes no difference to the arguement. Teeheehee :D
Anywho all the best with the rest of the debate, I'm rooting for you (and in a broader sense- logic).
Someone who has played poker once in his/her life can join a game with the top professionals in the world and they have a chance (not a high one) to win on luck.
I wonder, if Phelps had slipped off the starting line and broken his knee on the poolside, would you be saying he was an unskilled swimmer or just an unlucky swimmer?
There's a reason for the phrase "any given Sunday."
Pure chance enters into every human endeavor. And so does a person's knowledge, skill, and will. The difference between chess and poker, in that regard, is just an arbitrary line someone drew. In chess, someone will always get stuck playing black and the statistical disadvantage that comes with it.
Just for fun - http://chess.eusa.ed.ac.uk/Chess/Trivia/Chessluck.html
Ehhhh your logic is flawed obviously Anand could have suffered severe brain damage in a car accident (etc) on his way to the World Championship matches with Kramnik. Would this be a sign of luck inherrant in a game of chess? No of course not. (and yes I realize that jumping into the water is a part of swimming)
Phelps can swim faster than you, you would never swim faster than Phelps, the same way you would never outplay a grandmaster. And not only is my argument based on that you would not do those things, but that you in fact COULD not.
Whereas with poker it is entirely possible, albeit unlikely to beat a top rated player.
Oh, it's this kind of discussion... ok.
Ehhhh, you're logic is flawed.
Ok, your turn.
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