Chess and IQ.

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25th January 2009, 04:01pm
#1
by moaz
Bangladesh
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 185

I was wondering if chess had anything to do with IQ. My inference is that people with high tactical ability have a pretty high IQ.

Any thoughts on this?

25th January 2009, 08:05pm
#2
by SteveM
Baldwin United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 708

I believe chess is it's own intelligence.  I've seen people that aren't necessarily well read, or "intellectual" in too many ways, who had a real eye for the game.

I've also seen highly intelligent people who can't play to save their lives.

Go figure!

25th January 2009, 08:08pm
#3
by perp124
Ct. United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 277

I have a pretty high I.Q.  I stink.

25th January 2009, 08:27pm
#4
by moaz
Bangladesh
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 185

Yeah i guess so.

25th January 2009, 08:30pm
#5
by jazzTUNE
United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
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The best chess players of all time, i.e., Fischer, Tal and Kasparov, all have documented IQ's of 160, 157 and 171. Thus, the best of the best do indeed have above genius level (140) IQ's.

25th January 2009, 08:46pm
#6
by joetheplumber
The White House United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 305

if IQ measured chess strength, i would win a lot more.

Of course, as jazz pointed out, at the top, the most brilliant chess players are also brilliant people.

25th January 2009, 08:48pm
#7
by angelthrust
the Moon United States
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the only thing IQ tests tell you is how well you can take IQ tests.

25th January 2009, 08:54pm
#8
by Fianjello
San Francisco, California United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 151
angelthrust wrote:

the only thing IQ tests tell you is how well you can take IQ tests.


 that is so true i learn that in ap psychology

25th January 2009, 09:24pm
#9
by moaz
Bangladesh
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Member Points: 185

Hmmm interesting.

26th January 2009, 01:00pm
#10
by stanhope13
The Celestial City or Armageddon United Kingdom
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Fianjello wrote:
angelthrust wrote:

the only thing IQ tests tell you is how well you can take IQ tests.


 that is so true i learn that in ap psychology

i have to agree, there are loads of such tests, Beethoven was deaf, a deaf composer!!!!  Einstein did,nt talk until he was 4.


26th January 2009, 01:06pm
#11
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 724
stanhope13 wrote:
Fianjello wrote:
angelthrust wrote:

the only thing IQ tests tell you is how well you can take IQ tests.


 that is so true i learn that in ap psychology

i have to agree, there are loads of such tests, Beethoven was deaf, a deaf composer!!!!  Einstein did,nt talk until he was 4.



I don't entirely agree. It shows how well you can solve intellectual problems.
Which refers strongly to intelligence, or it's potential.

I do agree chess has an own kind of intelligence, but I think intelligence is neccessary to be a top player, not to get to a decent level.

26th January 2009, 01:15pm
#12
by gretagarbo
USA United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 76

a recent post 

26th January 2009, 01:22pm
#13
by edwaxx
Corinth, Kentucky United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 113

my IQ test results were just below 140...I suck at chess

in my opinion the correlation between top players and IQ probably has more to do with memory and pattern recognition than anything else...

26th January 2009, 01:28pm
#14
by batgirl
NC United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 4313

Does IQ indicate chess talent?

I hope not.

 

Does chess talent reflect one's IQ?

I really hope not.

26th January 2009, 01:29pm
#15
by salamillion
United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 290

There are a lot of different IQ's -

Spatial, Mathematical, Logical, Emotional - are you talking standardized IQ tests here?

You may guess I dabble in statistics where the answer is "It depends"

I do know this - that if all of us posting on this site took the same, exact IQ test, and, given we all did not score the same score, about half of us would be below average plus or minus 5%.

26th January 2009, 01:30pm
#16
by salamillion
United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 290

Chess may make you smarter - but if you are smart it is no guarantee you can win at chess. 

26th January 2009, 01:41pm
#17
by Kupov
Banff Alberta Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 1631

Why is it that everyone on the internet seems to have genius level I.Q scores?

26th January 2009, 01:53pm
#18
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 724
Kupov wrote:

Why is it that everyone on the internet seems to have genius level I.Q scores?

- More than half (I don't know exactly how many, but greatly over this percentage) lies about his or her identity on the internet.
- It is very easy to do so, and mostly harmless to anyone.
- You wouldn't start about it if you didn't want people to know it.
- 2,5% is gifted, which make up many people on this site.


26th January 2009, 06:27pm
#19
by moaz
Bangladesh
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 185

 Then i guess mathematical IQ has a part in chess?

26th January 2009, 07:41pm
#20
by Masterful_Forfeit
Saskatoon Canada
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1172

Jazz, I'd like to know where you got your numbers. I seem to remember reading somewhere that they conducted a series of IQ tests on Kasparov, and they all placed him around 135, without fail.

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