Chess and IQ.

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26th January 2009, 08:06pm
#21
by BorgQueen
Adelaide Australia
Member Since: Aug 2008
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IQ tests are grossly inaccurate and only give a general idea.  If Kasparov had put focus on a wider range of subjects and general knowledge during his life ... IQ question type stuff instead of chess, his IQ might have been a LOT higher.   I have zero faith in the IQ tests.

And no, I didn't have my IQ tested and scored badly.  In fact, I scored quite well, somewhere around 160, but I noticed that many of the questions were not at all indicative of general intelligence, more general knowledge and subjective experience.

26th January 2009, 08:18pm
#22
by moaz
Bangladesh
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 185

Kasparov had an IQ of 160?

26th January 2009, 08:26pm
#23
by BorgQueen
Adelaide Australia
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 4684
lochness88 wrote:Kasparov is not 160 that is a myth. He was professionally tested at 135.

26th January 2009, 09:25pm
#24
by moaz
Bangladesh
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 185

Thats not that high.

27th January 2009, 06:47pm
#25
by salamillion
United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 290

I never took an IQ test - but I once got an A in gym - I still can't run a marathon - does that make me a bad cook?

27th January 2009, 09:53pm
#26
by grapedog
Killeen, TX United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 9

anyone know of any savant chess players?

27th January 2009, 10:11pm
#27
by Phelon
California United States
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 1156

Both my parents have IQ's of over 160, possibly 180. I have never taken an IQ test myself but I suspect I measure up their with my parents, as I have gotten all sorts of academic, chessic, and other things that had to do with mental capabilities, awards. I was on the top 100 list in the uscf for players my age from 10-14 before I took a break from chess. I just started up again in the winter of 2008 and I am making my way back onto the list. I would say high I.Q. goes hand in hand with high level chess skill.

27th January 2009, 10:22pm
#28
by goldendog
beertopia United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 2205

Everytime I tell someone how high my IQ is it goes up a point or two. I've told many people. My IQ is 455.

27th January 2009, 10:26pm
#29
by ashwath
bangalore India
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 1015

how about asking erik to introduce an free IQ test here and we can compare that with thier ratings to solve the issue..

27th January 2009, 10:29pm
#30
by dlclaufer
United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 67

Maybe some of the best chess players of the modern era have had IQs in certain areas...i.e. mathematics, spatial organization, etc...are we alking a generalized IQ or specific...we seem to as hung up on IQ points as we are rating points...

THere are so many factors involved in chess OTHER THAN IQ I think....passion,

natural talent, etc...the jury is still out on the subject...it will be ongoing...

by the way....2+2+5 (it really does!!!!!!!!!!)

28th January 2009, 01:00am
#31
by moaz
Bangladesh
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 185

Hmm i think they should have a big experiment to find the relationship between chess and IQ.

28th January 2009, 03:00am
#32
by edwaxx
Corinth, Kentucky United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 115
grapedog wrote:

anyone know of any savant chess players?


 I would be really interested in this...I think I remember reading somewhere that Rubinstein was classified as a savant by some modern psychologist, but I can't quote it exactly as it was written...

it is pretty clear though that some great players have had their share of mental trouble...makes you wonder if the diagnosis simply did not exist at the time?

28th January 2009, 03:06am
#33
by rich
My Home United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 22794

No it's not the same thing at all.

28th January 2009, 03:24am
#34
by nerdie
Iloilo Philippines
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 523

bill wall has contributed a content about this.

take some time to read.

 

http://www.chess.com/article/view/chess-and-iq

28th January 2009, 03:24am
#35
by Summum_Malum
Vancouver Canada
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 204

Well I am getting my masters in mathematics (which should imply some mathematical intelligence Wink) this summer and I am still not too great at chess.. I think the reason why Tal, Kasparov and Fischer were great at chess and at the same time scored high on IQ-tests is because chess to some extent is a matter of pattern recognition (especially in the middle and end game), as is most IQ-tests... Supposedly because this rids the test of any racial or cultural bias..

28th January 2009, 03:27am
#36
by Summum_Malum
Vancouver Canada
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 204

Of course you could claim that pattern recognition is a part of mathematical intelligence, and in that sense I would say: yes mathematical intelligence does increase ones winning statisitics, but this only comes into play if you survive the opening =) ---

28th January 2009, 04:23am
#37
by salamillion
United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 290

I knew a surgeon who could not change a light bulb or fix a flat on his kid's bike - honestly, this guy had no mechanical ability - and yet - he was a practicing proctologist.  Very smart in his field - but would you want him wiring your house?

28th January 2009, 05:07am
#38
by jmesser
Mcdonough, Ga United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 23

IQ probably has something to do with chess skills seeing as i lack both. coincidence? i think not.

28th January 2009, 10:05am
#39
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 754

As I said before more than half lies about his or her identity on the web.
Thanks to all your posts I can size this down to 75% to 85%.
(I thought it was 80% it only seemed to high before.

Advise on lying about your IQ:
- Don't overdo, IQ's DO have a limit (your parent's will probably not be smarter than Einstein and Hawking together).
- If you are smart (as your IQ implies) you would probably not boast about it too much on the internet (probably not at all). Not very credible.
- Understand what you are lying about. And whether your chosen IQ suits your personality.

28th January 2009, 10:07am
#40
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 754

ps. My IQ is 3689
(being specific makes it more credible as wellLaughing)


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