If you look at a sport like basketball, one way to determine if someone is capable of playing at the top level is to measure how tall that person is. It doesn't mean that if a person isn't tall he or she can't be very good at basketball or that they can never make it to the top level it just makes it more difficult. And also just because someone is tall doesn't mean that they will be good at basketball.
Any my point is that having a high I.Q. doesn't determine that you will be good at chess it just increases the chance that you can be good at chess at the top level.
I don't know if this is common, but my I.Q. is roughly the same as my rating in online(correspondence style) chess. Isn't yours?
This is pretty common, I myself have a chess rating online just below my IQ- hoping to bring them to match soon!
I am a confused on the very high IQ rankings reported here as IQ range is max about 200 ranking points..
Below is a table that groups the IQ rankings.
And here is a link for a more detailled ranking grouping:
http://wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html
Does IQ indicate chess talent?
I hope not.
Does chess talent reflect one's IQ?
I really hope not.
I agree
Hi everyone,
I have read many times that Chess, IQ, math and abstract logic are connected. But, of course, not in every case. But generally, they are connected.
The best chess players of all time, i.e., Fischer, Tal and Kasparov, all have documented IQ's of 160, 157 and 171. Thus, the best of the best do indeed have above genius level (140) IQ's.
Genius level is pretty meaningless. The 140 figure is one standard deviation above the norm. A bit more than 2/3 of the population will be within one standard deviation of the norm, which means that about 1 in 6 people is (technically) a genius.
Kasparov has an IQ of139 or something like that.It was a myth that he had an IQ over 150.
I don't know that IQ scores are necessarily a good predictor of ability at chess; my verbal IQ is a high 140 (this verified by neuropsych testing, not on the internet). My visual-spatial IQ is 128, the disparity probably due to cognitive problems induced by MS. I'm pretty lousy at chess.
I have low IQ and I am rubbish at chess.
I think the math/pattern recognition part of IQ tests would correlate pretty highly with ability to play chess. This of course depends on your familiarity with chess.
Maybe the more correct ASSUMPTION to make would be that IQ tests correlate with your SPEED of learning chess?
the only thing IQ tests tell you is how well you can take IQ tests.
that is so true i learn that in ap psychology
i have to agree, there are loads of such tests, Beethoven was deaf, a deaf composer!!!! Einstein did,nt talk until he was 4.
Beethoven went deaf AFTER becoming a major composer. Not to take anything away from the man, but this is a common historical overstatement. Also, Einstein's delayed speech is now believed to have been due to his altered brain structure which also gave him his incredible ability at spatial processing.
Neither of the above items has anything to do with IQ. I'm pretty sure Einstein would have crushed the life out of an IQ test while Beethoven would have, I dunno, contemplated the uselessness of it all before flying into a bipolar rage?
Here's some fun silliness:
http://hem.bredband.net/b153434/Index.htm
To my knowledge no such method has yet to be discovered that could actually tell how intellectual a person is. Different people have different capabilities. Some good at math, some at logic, some at literature (right/left brain thing). For example: computer plays chess pretty (a little too pretty for comfort) well but cant even make simple decisions in unfamiliar situations it isnt programmed for lol. About IQ tests: there could be various factors that might interfere with the scores. So dont be sad if u get a low IQ score or bad at chess. Just try to find things u r good at and capatilize on it. Thats how the earth spins baby lol.
A bit of honesty in an online forum. Odd.
I see
Real genius shows at the highest levels of the game - at lower levels, technical proficiency acquired through study is worth a lot of IQ points. For most of us, we have lots of room to improve without ever bumping into our IQ ceiling, so I don't worry much about the influence of things I cannot change.
I may be stupid but I use every last bit of it.
I think if your IQ is high, your more likely to pick up on patterns and strategies easier than most, but honestly, most people that dedicate their life to this game can become very good with or without high IQs.
BTW...........aren't there like 85 threads like this already? does anyone check before they post a new one........
I'm going to write a full-blown article about the relationship between IQ and chess and publish it here on the night of February 2nd - it will be entitled "IQ and Chess - The Real Relationship".
It will consist of a hypothesis and as much proof as I can give to clarify my point(s). Everybody is free to read and agree / disagree with my hypothesis - if you disagree, please argue with proof somewhat like mine! ;D
I hope to resolve some arguments with my article and hope even more that the friendly conversations will continue! =D
I'd consider IQ tests as ads.
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