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And this part is just silly.
When an activity we enjoy takes up such a large portion of time out of our lives, it becomes part of our identity. We become biased to think of it in a nobler light. Add this to the fact that competitive chess players tend to develop big egos around the game, and it becomes difficult for some players to face the fact that it is really just a board game, at least in the grand scheme of things.
Yes there's bias, but it will vary from person to person. Yes some people have egos, but again it will vary. Apart from these people some are even addicted as you said... but again it just depends.You can reduce any activity not directly involved in survival to something ultimately meaningless, but in doing so you lose reasonable perspective, and IMO you lose useful information. In this case by assuming bias in anyone willing to disagree you were the first to display bias and ego. Yes, it was to make your point, but I think you're overstating it and assuming too much about your audience.
Chess is art, sport, science, and hobby. I like the competitive aspect.
With exception of the science part , I agree on the rest of this statement. I don't think chess is a science. Chess is basically a game.
You can hold a physical thing like a chessboard or chesspiece in your hands.
You can not do this with the things you mentioned. They are abstract. You can not compare an abstraction with an object without running the risk of drawing flawed conclusions.
Isn't science just a process of learning by systematically eliminating bias from observations? Not only is chess a science, but when your DVD isn't playing and you check the remote then get up to check the cords that's science too.
Your personal experience smacks of evidence. The OP prefers such things left out of the discussion.
Even so, I've helped children who struggle academicall due to learning disabilities become strong chess players. It has helped their self-confidence at school. Perhaps that's my bias that the OP failed to to discern in his psychobabble (post 45).
Ziryab , I'm so glad you mentioned this. Whether children suffer from learning disabilities, social phobia, or autistic tendencies, what could possibly be more important than trying to help them achieve happiness and success? The chess-in-the-schools movement is growing around the world, and it's not just for the sake of developing chess skills. In addition to the often-quoted (and scientifically documented) correlation between chess practice and improved learning skills, I believe that chess play -- via social interaction with peers -- helps heal emotional problems that often cause or worsen learning disabilities. I used to run a public chess club in Cary NC at Borders Books. We had about 20-30 attendees every Saturday afternoon, about half of them young kids, mostly already happy and carefree. But even the shy ones were attracted to this vibrant scene, where they really blossomed. I tutored one high-functioning autistic (aspergic) student for several months. I'm not a professional therapist, but this environment really helped him learn to interact smoothly with others. What a joy it was for me to facilitate that club! I miss it so much (see photographs at www.BordersChess.org).
Given the fact that chess in and of itself is "just a game", maybe other sophisticated games like Go, Bridge, Scrabble, Othello, and Poker could serve the same function as social catalyst? My experience is that chess has the most universal appeal due to its perfect balance of simple rules (piece movements), complex interactions (tactics/positional/strategy), aesthetic variety (piece appearance and personality), and importantly, a worldwide pool of players and culture.
Yes, chess "is just a game", but it acts as an excellent environment for self-improvement, social connection, and artistry. What more could you ask for from a game? I like the analogy to music. The piano and violin "are just instruments", lifeless on their own. But add human beings to the equation and we have learning, growth, joy, and beauty.
Chess is a board game on steroids and crank.
The science supporting the benefits of chess has a long way to go. Had the OP not taken the lazy way out when these studies were mentioned, we might have had a productive conversation concerning these benefits.
There's no question that chess is more than a mere game, but some of the claims for its educational benefits stand on a weak foundation. The link provided by EscherehcsE in post 59 is worth reading.
Our anecdotal evidence does not prove the case, but in conjuction with suggestive studies certainly merits some consideration. Other games almost certainly could be used in school to develop similar outcomes.
However, no other game has the culture of chess. Other games may be older, other games may exceed its popularity at any given time (poker, now). Chess has been popular longer and in more countries. How many websites devoted to Othello have such vibrant discussion threads?
Go is harder to master, perhaps, and humans will remain ahead of computers for some time to come, but how many people do you know who have played the game?
You put things well with: My experience is that chess has the most universal appeal due to its perfect balance of simple rules (piece movements), complex interactions (tactics/positional/strategy), aesthetic variety (piece appearance and personality), and importantly, a worldwide pool of players and culture
hmm... interesting insight. Could you briefly elaborate?
Fyi, I did not assume such things about the audience. Unlike you, I try to respect the opinion of all parties. Claimants of such absurdly extraordinary side effects, however, deserve to have their motives questioned. Keep your nonsense off my thread.
Wow! That's funny.
See post 45 for reference vis-a-vis this absurd claim.
I think that bad dog crushed mr potato head
NO, YOU'RE A POTATO HEAD.
I see the resemblance
What if life is just a board game, except on a sphere.
Chess makes man wiser and clear-sighted. - Vladimir Putin
I've seen countless people trying to convince themselves about all kind of good things chess supposedly does for you in real life.
This is false. Studying chess only helps you to be better at chess, and nothing more. It doesn't increase your mathematical or logical skills, except those directly related to chess.
The truth is that these people are addicted to a board game, and are trying to convince themselves otherwise. The best chess related thing you can do to improve your life is to quit chess.
Yu can quit now.
I've thought so too. But I've come to realize that it's a lie.
Now this makes a lot of sense.Well compressed and packaged.Very deep and beautifully spoken.
Our anecdotal evidence does not prove the case, but in conjuction with suggestive studies certainly merits some consideration.
I agree with everything that you wrote in post 94, and I will study the paper that you pointed to (I have already looked at the supportive papers referenced on the USCF website). Although I agree that most of the evidence for the correlation between chess practice and improved academic performance is anectdotal, like you, I am still convinced that enough evidence exists to merit further study. Actually, my confidence in the premise is quite a bit stronger (based on what I have seen over the years). Despite the insufficiency of hard evidence, I will continue to support chess in schools, not as a mandatory tax-financed directive, but as a voluntary after-school activity for kids who are naturally interested.
I think it's more that a board game.
Click on it to check it out.
This thread is like standing in front of the monkey cage at the zoo too long. The monkeys start throwing feces. Sooooo, I'm outta here.
What makes c4 and c5 good??
by Rumo75 a few minutes ago
what the #$%^was he playing and how did he win?
by badger_song a few minutes ago
12/6/2013 - Mate in 8
by Bryan681972 3 minutes ago
The bad thing about chess is its fixed starting position.
by Yaroslavl 4 minutes ago
Which book on tactics (Chernev vs Nunn vs Weteschnik)
by Daimonion 5 minutes ago
live chess connections
by fun2mate 8 minutes ago
cant unusual openings be used to fox stronger opponents more often than not?
by waffllemaster 9 minutes ago
To Mr X
by olichris 10 minutes ago
Carlsen is mediocre - my analyses
by gabrucho 10 minutes ago
PGN upload for autoamted analysis?
by mjaaland 10 minutes ago
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