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Chess more western than ever?


  • 15 months ago · Quote · #1

    fabelhaft

    Looking at today's live rating list there are three western players in the top five. This is something that never happened on official Elo rating lists in the more than 40 years they existed, or on unofficial rating lists of the 1960s. Many top ten lists of the past didn't have a single player from west of the old Warsaw bloc.

    Now, if Aronian and Kramnik drop a few points in their next event and Caruana and Nakamura gain a few points the top three would be all western. The last time that happened was maybe at the end of the 1800s, with Lasker, Tarrasch and Pillsbury. Even then one could make a case that the top three was more "eastern" than it would be with Carlsen, Caruana and Nakamura, since both Lasker and Tarrasch were born in what is now Poland.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #2

    fabelhaft

    Got even closer to a western top two after today, with Nakamura now only six points from second place on the rating list, even if Caruana's distance to the top increased.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #3

    macer75

    fabelhaft wrote:

    Now, if Aronian and Kramnik drop a few points in their next event and Caruana and Nakamura gain a few points the top three would be all western.

    Except that would never happen.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #4

    macer75

    Actually no, that might happen someday, but it's definitely not in their next event.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #5

    fabelhaft

    I don't think it will happen in the next event either, but it's not impossible. Aronian (2795 if the official list was made today) dropped seven points in his last event, and Kramnik (2796) always underperformed in the national championship. He hasn't won it yet but this year it doesn't look too strong without Grischuk and Moro.

    Nakamura (2790) is quite close to second place already, so the biggest "problem" could be Caruana (2780). Even if he recently was 2800 on the live rating list he will need a strong finish to return to the 2790s.

    Still, Carlsen, Caruana and Nakamura have time on their side, being the youngest of the top rated players. The guy just behind Caruana on the live rating list is 24 years older. At the same time he did just pass Anand for the first time in more than 22 years, so age isn't everything.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #6

    fabelhaft

    Updated ratings in the fight for second spot behind Carlsen after today's round:

    Kramnik 2796

    Aronian 2795

    Nakamura 2794

    Caruana 2785

    Nakamura and Caruana both have finishes where it looks as if they might pick some more points. Nakamura first has two whites in a row against opponents that both lost today (Ponomariov and Gelfand), and then black against a Giri in bad shape. Caruana has black against the same Giri, then white against Tomashevsky and black against Dominguez, and he will need to win a couple of those games to reach the Candidates so he will certainly try hard to do it.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #7

    NewArdweaden

    Hmmm... Nakamura achieved the highest live rating until now.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #8

    hicetnunc

    Nakamura is playing better and better, like he is slowly maturing... Maybe the positive impact of Arthur Kogan ?

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #9

    fabelhaft

    hicetnunc wrote:

    Nakamura is playing better and better, like he is slowly maturing... Maybe the positive impact of Arthur Kogan ?

    He really has improved a lot lately. It is easy to forget that his highest world ranking before 2011 was 15th, and now he is one win in two white games from reaching 2nd place in 2013 (and make the top two the most western ever).

    At the same time Carlsen begins to reach Kasparov's levels in distance to #2. The biggest difference Kasparov ever had down to #2 was 82 points, while Carlsen has 74 points on the October list that was published today.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #10

    fabelhaft

    OK, for the November list Nakamura is in the club house with 2789 after falling from 2794 in the last rounds, and the three other contenders for second place all start tournaments this week. Kramnik (2796) in the Russian Superfinal, Aronian (2795) in Bilbao, and Caruana (2789) in Bucharest. Carlsen in first place will stay 2870.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #11

    TetsuoShima

    Well i dont consider Nakamura the typical westerner, seriously i think in 50 years the top ten will all be chinese

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #12

    TetsuoShima

    Ofc i know Nakamura is Japanese...


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