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  • 9 months ago · Quote · #1

    Kittysafe

    The famous matches that Fischer won in '72 and the candidate matches where he destroyed all the grandmasters without a single loss that ultimately led to the Spassky match and the world championship... I'd love to see those games if they're available anywhere... I'm looking for them now.

    It's interesting, after Fischer won the championship in '72, he could have become a multi millionaire, he was getting
    offers for everything from talkshows, to huge amounts of money just to show up at tournaments, not even win.
    And he turned them all down.  He became a recluse, he became anti-american saying we deserved 9/11, for starters.
    The man was unabomber with a chess board instead of letter bombs.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #2

    Joseph-S

    Kittysafe wrote:

    The famous matches that Fischer won in '72 and the candidate matches where he destroyed all the grandmasters without a single loss that ultimately led to the Spassky match and the world championship... I'd love to see those games if they're available anywhere... I'm looking for them now.

    It's interesting, after Fischer won the championship in '72, he could have become a multi millionaire, he was getting
    offers for everything from talkshows, to huge amounts of money just to show up at tournaments, not even win.
    And he turned them all down.  He became a recluse, he became anti-american saying we deserved 9/11, for starters.
    The man was unabomber with a chess board instead of letter bombs.


      Unabomber?  A bit harsh don't you think?

     

      I wished he would've had a blog site where he could've gone into detail and reasons for his rants.  They may not have been all that groundless!

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #3

    raul72

    Kittysafe wrote:

    The famous matches that Fischer won in '72 and the candidate matches where he destroyed all the grandmasters without a single loss that ultimately led to the Spassky match and the world championship... I'd love to see those games if they're available anywhere... I'm looking for them now.

    It's interesting, after Fischer won the championship in '72, he could have become a multi millionaire, he was getting
    offers for everything from talkshows, to huge amounts of money just to show up at tournaments, not even win.
    And he turned them all down.  He became a recluse, he became anti-american saying we deserved 9/11, for starters.
    The man was unabomber with a chess board instead of letter bombs.


     I dont think such videos are available. In the championship match the first game was filmed and set Fischer off--- No more films. there was one more game of the match filmed which Fischer didnt know about. I dont think either game has been released to the public. From time to time you see snatches of the first game with Spassky on line. I dont think his candidates matches are available either.

    Fischer could have become a millionaire with all the products he could have endorsed. I dont think he endorsed anything. He wasn't that interested in money. There was a five million dollar offer from the Phillipines to play Karpov in 75'. He turned down all these big time offers and asked his mother to help him out financially when his money ran out (which she did). I think he gave most of his money to the church. He finally did cash in with the five million vs Spassky in 92'. 

    Fischer never physically hurt anyone but his mouth got him beat up a couple of times. Once in a car when he was a teenager travelling with other teens to the US open and once in a hotel room in Curacao when Benko roughed him up.

    A pepsi comercial he refused because he said ---this stuff rots your teeth. He turned down a lucrative car endorsement because he said ---I dont drive this kind of car (he didnt drive any kind of car).  The man was surrounded by controversy and mystique.  They will be writing about him a thousand years from now and longer.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #4

    Kittysafe

    Fischer had a lot of valid reasons to be upset with America, so did the Unabomber, and they both chose destructive ways to express it, was my point... I was being flowery and poetic though more than strictly comparative. 

    Fischer choosing to play the match with Spassky and his need to go into exile for example, were his own fault.

    wiki:
    The U.S. Department of the Treasury had warned Fischer beforehand that his participation was illegal as it violated President George H. W. Bush's Executive Order 12810[266] that implemented United Nations sanctions against engaging in economic activities in Yugoslavia.[267] In response, Fischer called a conference and, in front of the international press, literally spat on the U.S. order forbidding him to play, announcing "This is my reply". Following the match, the Department obtained an arrest warrant for him. Fischer remained wanted by the United States government for the rest of his life and never returned to America.

    Fischer being Jewish by both parents and becoming an outspoken anti-semite was a bit off the deep-end, saying we deserved 9/11, while I agree to some extent America deserved to be taken down a few pegs, I don't believe violence and murder is a productive or effective way to achieve this result.

    In the end Fischer was a tragic figure, unhappy, bitter, who turned down every  opportunity on ethical grounds which I respect, but all of the rules he demanded for tournaments I felt was psychological warfare intended or not, I think it took a toll on Spassky and others, and believe they never should have given in to them in '72. 

    He also wanted to remove draws from the game in his demands and make it so he needed to win 9 games and the challenger win 10 which they refused, and he forfeited the championship in '75.  The man was not easy to get along with one can see, he couldn't just go with anything as it was, hell he even patended a new chess clock because he wasn't satisfied with the old one. 

    Right or wrong, Kasparov and Fischer both comes across to me a rather tortured giant, self-inflicted by the machinations of their own genius.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #5

    Kyotocon

    Kittysafe wrote:

    The famous matches that Fischer won in '72 and the candidate matches where he destroyed all the grandmasters without a single loss that ultimately led to the Spassky match and the world championship... I'd love to see those games if they're available anywhere... I'm looking for them now.



    They are all on youtube.....you need to do a search.

    you could start here....

     

    http://www.youtube.com/user/SeanGGodley#g/c/6EF5D74AC36018A9

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #6

    Kittysafe

    Hey thanks Kyotocon, much appreciated for that link.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #7

    Kyotocon

    Found this game really educational....Fischers 1st in his rematch with Spassky. Was thinking, jeeezz he seems to have lost it a bit but the old Fischer started to rear his head again.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e39qZC6atQ8

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #8

    raul72

    Kyotocon wrote:
    Kittysafe wrote:

    The famous matches that Fischer won in '72 and the candidate matches where he destroyed all the grandmasters without a single loss that ultimately led to the Spassky match and the world championship... I'd love to see those games if they're available anywhere... I'm looking for them now.



    They are all on youtube.....you need to do a search.

    you could start here....

     

    http://www.youtube.com/user/SeanGGodley#g/c/6EF5D74AC36018A9


     Kyote---I was under the impression she was looking for actual films. You know where you see Fischer sitting on one side of the board and spassky on the other. You actually see them reach out and move pieces---and to see Fischer actually move the pieces was a delight. I thought she actually wanted to see the look on their faces as they fought to get out of a bad situation---or to bring a positive position to fruition. I thought she wanted to see how often they would get up and move around and how awkwardly Fischer loped around the playing area. What were they drinking and how often did they drink ? Did they eat at the board?  Did Fischer use any psychological tricks they were discernible to the average viewer? It is considered impolite to stare at your opponent. Did Fischer get around this by resting his head in the palms of his hands and peeking through his spread fingers.

    Kyote, your suggestion she goes to a site with a 2d chessboard and some clodhopper from Timbuktu doing the narrating has its place but you cant compare it to the real thing---can you ?

    Come on pally---thats a horse of a different color.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #9

    Kyotocon

     

     the real thing---

     


    let me know when you find it......you would be the 1st to do so!!

     

    in the meantime you can enjoy ' 2nd Best '.............Wink

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #10

    raul72

    Kyotocon wrote:
     

     the real thing---

     


    let me know when you find it......you would be the 1st to do so!!

     

    in the meantime you can enjoy ' 2nd Best '.............


     Pally, you should make it a habit of reading the previous post in a thread. I told you the films didnt exist and I told you there is a place for the site you suggested and I suppose they will do ---UNTIL THE REAL THING COMES ALONG---Smile

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #11

    Kyotocon

    Relax ' pally '.....the poster seemed to appreciate the link.

     

    and keep looking for those vids........Wink

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #12

    Kittysafe

    I appreciated the reply for sure, I imagine we'd all love the real thing... they have closed circuit recordings from those games, I wish they'd release them. 


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