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21st May 2009, 04:33pm
#1
by lilybetrice
Liverpool England
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 189

Does the status i.e. rating of an opponent , determined ones manners?

Since I broke the 1000 rating barrier ( which may fluctuate, in fact it inevitability will) I have found silent opponents(rude people) suddenly have the inclination to conserve . Is this an indication of snobbery in the ranks? I certainly do not think I'm any less of a person than an opponent with a 2000 rating , just because that individual is much better at chess than me.

Do you get your self esteem from your rating and do you write people off because they are lower rated players?

I am in no way addressing all of the wonderful people who have really helped me and encouraged me and been fab, by the way ...

I'm talking about the unusual here, which is sadly often...

21st May 2009, 04:38pm
#2
by slack
Nebraska United States
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 1175

No, and no.

21st May 2009, 04:38pm
#3
by Sweagen
Ontario Canada
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 103

No, I don't think there's anyone who would really write someone else off like that, but who knows how some people think?

Of course, a lot of people are from other countries and don't speak English, or are very serious about chess and therefore don't think talking is necessary (leading to no responses).

I played a game with someone a while ago. In the middle of the match I said, 'Oho, Now I've got you!' and 'Good move!' after several key moves. At the end of the game, instead of 'Good Game' by my opponent, I received a firmer response of 'Less talking next time', and they proceeded to leave.

21st May 2009, 04:44pm
#4
by hairybigbelly
Durham United Kingdom
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 35

ha-ha-ha,just play the game woman

21st May 2009, 04:52pm
#5
by Hydroxide
British Columbia Canada
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 284

'silent opponents(rude people)' ??? So if somebody doesn't type anything in the chat they're rude? I usually come on live chess for 2 things: a few 1 minute games for fun, a blitz game to test out openings or a nice, serious, long game to see if I'm improving. The 1 minute games there is no time for chatting, during the blitz games I usually like to concentrate on the opening and the long games I treat as tournament games. Of course, if my opponent says hello or good luck I will usually make a brief reply. Not to mention that I tend to play with a large board-- and the chatbox is not even visible!! What am I supposed to do? Switch to default every 30 seconds to check if anything has been said?

21st May 2009, 04:52pm
#6
by chesshydra
Fullerton United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 79

I can't say that there is any direct correlation between rating and 'snobbery'.  In a perfect world, people celebrate each others unique contributions/participation regardless of 'achievement' but that isn't always true. In the real world, there is generally a caste system in all walks of life.

I work in healthcare and the surgical community of physicians certainly think they are on a different plane than mere Family Practice physicians.  Will they speak of it publicly?  No.  It is manifested in other ways.

Professional Athletes view themselves differently than mere college/community athletes.

Think of an any occupation and you can probably find this to be true.

College professors vs Kindergarten teachers

Published writers vs the coffee house muse

Kinkade vs an artist on the street

High profile defense attorneys vs ambulance chasers

patzers like you and I versus the Category 15+ Gms & SuperGMs (and I bet there is a little caste system between the Category 18's and the lowly 15's)

And I ramble on.... Good news for you is that there are many players at higher levels who will play anyone regardless of rating....well at least here that is true.  In a OTB tournament it might be different.... Smile

21st May 2009, 05:00pm
#7
by Beelzebub666
Great Britain
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 379

Some people just don't want to exchange the same tedious banalities with every match.  Chat is optional.  Rude would be actually making a rude comment, such as expressing amazement that any adult can struggle to break the 1000 'barrier'.

21st May 2009, 05:11pm
#8
by lilybetrice
Liverpool England
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 189
Hydroxide wrote:

'silent opponents(rude people)' ??? So if somebody doesn't type anything in the chat they're rude? I usually come on live chess for 2 things: a few 1 minute games for fun, a blitz game to test out openings or a nice, serious, long game to see if I'm improving. The 1 minute games there is no time for chatting, during the blitz games I usually like to concentrate on the opening and the long games I treat as tournament games. Of course, if my opponent says hello or good luck I will usually make a brief reply. Not to mention that I tend to play with a large board-- and the chatbox is not even visible!! What am I supposed to do? Switch to default every 30 seconds to check if anything has been said?


 Slow down hunny... Live chess is a totaly different arena, I'm talking about games that carry on for days, even months. And some days   I will make a move and my opponent will make a move and not say anything, thats not the point I'm raising here...

21st May 2009, 05:13pm
#9
by Sweagen
Ontario Canada
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 103
Beelzebub666 wrote:

Some people just don't want to exchange the same tedious banalities with every match.  Chat is optional.  Rude would be actually making a rude comment, such as expressing amazement that any adult can struggle to break the 1000 'barrier'.


lol

You said it.

21st May 2009, 05:23pm
#10
by lilybetrice
Liverpool England
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 189
Sweagen wrote:
Beelzebub666 wrote:

Some people just don't want to exchange the same tedious banalities with every match.  Chat is optional.  Rude would be actually making a rude comment, such as expressing amazement that any adult can struggle to break the 1000 'barrier'.


lol

You said it.


 You have just confirmed my point, my dear.  Snobbery : ^ ) You see your self as better... Bet your car is a penis extention LOL!

21st May 2009, 05:29pm
#11
by dechampion
Vancouver, B.C. Canada
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 13

What a pointless and wasteful topic. More chess less talk. Enough said.

21st May 2009, 05:30pm
#12
by lilybetrice
Liverpool England
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 189
dechampion wrote:

What a pointless and wasteful topic. More chess less talk. Enough said.


 You ingnore people when they say hello don't ya ...

21st May 2009, 05:31pm
#13
by socket2me
Ft. Collins, Colorado United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 565
lilybetrice wrote:
Sweagen wrote:
Beelzebub666 wrote:

Some people just don't want to exchange the same tedious banalities with every match.  Chat is optional.  Rude would be actually making a rude comment, such as expressing amazement that any adult can struggle to break the 1000 'barrier'.


lol

You said it.


 You have just confirmed my point, my dear.  Snobbery : ^ ) You see your self as better... Bet your car is a penis extention LOL!


 Lily, I have noticed you have had other forum starters about rudeness, etc.  Some people DON"T want to talk.... This isn't a meeting place for everyone.  Infact, I talk only to a few people during my games.  Another is people come from countries that don't speak a lick of English.  The only thing I agree and I apply is when someone says hello... then I respond, because that is courteous and represents manners.  Don't think of me as criticizing you, but I just wanted to let you know.

Socket

21st May 2009, 05:35pm
#14
by idosheepallnight
United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1767

Its "determines ones manners?".

learn to spell newb...

21st May 2009, 05:36pm
#15
by socket2me
Ft. Collins, Colorado United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 565
idosheepallnight wrote:

Its "determines ones manners?".

learn to spell newb...


 Treat women right ido... She is sensitive, nothing wrong with that.

21st May 2009, 05:38pm
#16
by erikido23
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 982

Why do you have so many threads on manners and people thinking they are better than you.  I don't think the problem is with the other people.  The problem is you have an inferiority complex. 

21st May 2009, 05:41pm
#17
by lilybetrice
Liverpool England
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 189
socket2me wrote:
lilybetrice wrote:
Sweagen wrote:
Beelzebub666 wrote:

Some people just don't want to exchange the same tedious banalities with every match.  Chat is optional.  Rude would be actually making a rude comment, such as expressing amazement that any adult can struggle to break the 1000 'barrier'.


lol

You said it.


 You have just confirmed my point, my dear.  Snobbery : ^ ) You see your self as better... Bet your car is a penis extension LOL!


 Lily, I have noticed you have had other forum starters about rudeness, etc.  Some people DON"T want to talk.... This isn't a meeting place for everyone.  Infact, I talk only to a few people during my games.  Another is people come from countries that don't speak a lick of English.  The only thing I agree and I apply is when someone says hello... then I respond, because that is courteous and represents manners.  Don't think of me as criticizing you, but I just wanted to let you know.

Socket


 Yes I agree with ya,  but, I have been playing a guy from my own country who has not spoken to me for maybe three/four day's of playing him and then all of a sudden he's Jeremy Kyle incarnate ... This isn't about people exercising their right to conserve or not.

I am asking if people  chose to speak or not to speak based upon an opponents rating

21st May 2009, 05:45pm
#18
by Beelzebub666
Great Britain
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 379
lilybetrice wrote:
Sweagen wrote:
Beelzebub666 wrote:

Some people just don't want to exchange the same tedious banalities with every match.  Chat is optional.  Rude would be actually making a rude comment, such as expressing amazement that any adult can struggle to break the 1000 'barrier'.


lol

You said it.


 You have just confirmed my point, my dear.  Snobbery : ^ ) You see your self as better... Bet your car is a penis extention LOL!


I see myself as better at chess than you, frankly i don't see how an adult can play a couple of hundred games without grasping the basics.  That's not snobbery, it's an objective judgement based on performance in a game of skill.  Neither one of us has studied chess, my natural level is just a lot higher than yours. 

I suspect the problem here is not others seeing themselves as superior, but you seeing yourself as inferior.  I don't see why else this would occur to you as an issue, you have an inferiority complex which makes you highly sensitive to imagined slight.  In the normal course of events if I came across you in a tournament I'd beat you twice without it ever occurring to me to think of myself as superior in some moral sense or any sense broader than the game of chess, in which your rating states factually that I am a better player.

21st May 2009, 05:46pm
#19
by socket2me
Ft. Collins, Colorado United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 565

It's not about ratings Lily, he just doesn't want to speak.... and for most people, online chat isn't in their interests.  The only time I like to speak, besides responding with a hello, is to post here in these threads.   Most people don't care if your rated under 1000, it is irrelevant.... But you are trying to put shame on people because they don't respond.... How do you know it's not a 10 year old playing you??? How do I know your a girl??? .... with a picture of a woman? Get it???

21st May 2009, 05:47pm
#20
by Clobbersaurus
boston United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 21

I won't speak to an oponent unless his or her rating is even.

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