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15th June 2008, 08:01am
#1
by rich
Finland
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 8066

I'm learning Chinese chess and it is harder than I thought. In Chinese chess you have 2 guards, 2 cannons, 5 pawns, 2 Elephants, 2 knights, 2 rooks, and 1 king.



15th June 2008, 08:11am
#2
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2153
Can the guards ride on the elephants?
15th June 2008, 08:13am
#3
by Am3692
Newbury Park, CA United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 386
It is not that hard. I learned it at the same time as chess (kindergarden), it's just... different.The king has much more restrictions, and cannons makes defending and attacking much more complicated and interesting. Horses can be trapped, but xiangqi takes a bit of getting used to. There are less opening variations in the game, and no real gambits.
15th June 2008, 08:14am
#4
by Am3692
Newbury Park, CA United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 386
Loomis wrote: Can the guards ride on the elephants?

 The guards and king must stay in a box, king can not face another king directly. The guards move one space diagonal in the 3x3 box, while the king can only move the an adjacent space. Elephants/ministers move two space diagonally, no more no less, and cant cross the "river" or the center of the board


15th June 2008, 08:19am
#5
by Selangor
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1048

Yes. I do play Chinese Chess too.

The rule of each peace are as followed:

The King moves only one space at a time, either horizontally or vertically. Furthermore, the King must always stay within the palace, which is a square marked with an X.

The Guards (Advisor) move only one space at a time diagonally. Similar to the King, the guards must stay within the palace.

The Ministers (Elephants) move two spaces at a time diagonally (i.e. 2 spaces left/right and 2 spaces up/down in a move). They must stay within their own side of the river. If there is a piece midway between the original and final intended position of a minister, the minister is blocked and the move is not allowed.

The Rooks (Cars) move one or more spaces horizontally or vertically provided that all positions between the original and final positions are empty.

The Knights (Horses) move two spaces horizontally and one space vertically (or respectively 2 spaces vertically and one space horizontally). If there is a piece next to the horse in the horizontal (vertical) direction, the horse is blocked and the move is not allowed.

The Cannons move one or more spaces horizontally or vertically like a Rook. However, in a capture move, there must be exactly one non-empty space in between the original and final position. In a non-capture move, all spaces in between must be empty.

The Pawns (or Soldiers) move one space at a time. If a pawn does not cross the river yet, it can only move forward vertically. Once crossing the river, the pawn can also move horizontally.

Further more, the two Kings in the board must never be on the same file (vertical line) without any pieces in between them. A move that puts the two Kings in such a setting is illegal.

The Endgame condition are as below:

Checkmate: If one threatens to capture the opponent's King and the opponent has no way to resolve the threat, one wins, and

Stalemate: If one does not have any valid move, one loses(not a DRAW as per in Western Chess).


15th June 2008, 08:22am
#6
by rich
Finland
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 8066
Selangor wrote:

Yes. I do play Chinese Chess too.

The rule of each peace are as followed:

The King moves only one space at a time, either horizontally or vertically. Furthermore, the King must always stay within the palace, which is a square marked with an X.

The Guards (Advisor) move only one space at a time diagonally. Similar to the King, the guards must stay within the palace.

The Ministers (Elephants) move two spaces at a time diagonally (i.e. 2 spaces left/right and 2 spaces up/down in a move). They must stay within their own side of the river. If there is a piece midway between the original and final intended position of a minister, the minister is blocked and the move is not allowed.

The Rooks (Cars) move one or more spaces horizontally or vertically provided that all positions between the original and final positions are empty.

The Knights (Horses) move two spaces horizontally and one space vertically (or respectively 2 spaces vertically and one space horizontally). If there is a piece next to the horse in the horizontal (vertical) direction, the horse is blocked and the move is not allowed.

The Cannons move one or more spaces horizontally or vertically like a Rook. However, in a capture move, there must be exactly one non-empty space in between the original and final position. In a non-capture move, all spaces in between must be empty.

The Pawns (or Soldiers) move one space at a time. If a pawn does not cross the river yet, it can only move forward vertically. Once crossing the river, the pawn can also move horizontally.

Further more, the two Kings in the board must never be on the same file (vertical line) without any pieces in between them. A move that puts the two Kings in such a setting is illegal.

The Endgame condition are as below:

Checkmate: If one threatens to capture the opponent's King and the opponent has no way to resolve the threat, one wins, and

Stalemate: If one does not have any valid move, one loses(not a DRAW as per in Western Chess).


Thanks.


15th June 2008, 08:32am
#7
by Selangor
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1048

Oh yes, not forgotten, there is no such thing as perpectual check and perpectual chase (unstoppable/infinte) in Chinese Chess. The one who violates the rule loses.

A player is allow to check/chase 6 consecutive times using one piece, 12 times using 2 pieces, and 18 times using 3 pieces before considering the check/chase a perpetual check/chase.


15th June 2008, 09:00am
#8
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2153
It doesn't make sense. If I was a king and I had guards and elephants, I would definitely put the guards up on the elephants so they had a better vantage point for seeing an attack coming from a far distance.
15th June 2008, 09:11am
#9
by Selangor
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1048
Loomis wrote: It doesn't make sense. If I was a king and I had guards and elephants, I would definitely put the guards up on the elephants so they had a better vantage point for seeing an attack coming from a far distance.

That only happen in Chinese movies (Kungfu or Swordman sitcoms).


15th June 2008, 09:14am
#10
by Sunshiny
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 733
Those are personal guards that stay in the palace, and the elephants aren't house trained. Tongue out
15th June 2008, 09:16am
#11
by polosportply
Canada
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 58

Loomis, I LIKE YOUR THINKING !! Why not put the king on one of the horses, and put that horse on a wooden board on top of the two elephants. One of the guards can ride the remaining horse if they want.

 Or maybe a canon ontop of an elephant to get ultimate range, one-hit-kill Headshot !


15th June 2008, 09:20am
#12
by gdal_muriel
New York City United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 33

Chinese chess??

...I've never played it. However, I am the proud player of shogi (Japanese chess). In shogi, you have one King (jade emperor) two gold generals, two silver generals, two knights, two lances, nine pawns, a rook and a bishop

It's probably wishful thinking, but it would be really cool if we could play these online too....


15th June 2008, 09:23am
#13
by rich
Finland
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 8066
No that wouldn't work, because a elephant wouldn't be able to take the weight of a cannon. And if the king was on top of a horse he would stand out and get shot or attacked. And a guard on a horse wouldn't do you any good at all, because then the king dosen't have as much protection.
15th June 2008, 11:02am
#14
by Chessplaya37
United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 9
Hey, theres chinese checkers, so why not chinese chess. I'm going to look for it online.
15th June 2008, 12:16pm
#15
by emily0ken
East Riffa Bahrain
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 30
i thenk it's fun to learn chinese chess
15th June 2008, 12:23pm
#16
by rich
Finland
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 8066
I just played my first game of Chinese chess I lost of course, but I did okay for my first attempt. I think the elephant is quite a good piece.
15th June 2008, 02:36pm
#17
by ADK
Santa Clarita, CA United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 8244

Interesting game!!!

ADK


16th June 2008, 11:06am
#18
by Chess_Warrior
Bayamon B.O Nuevo Puerto Rico
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 154

Yeah, I went on a Chinese Chess website, but I leaved, and I forgot the link.

I'll find the website again.


16th June 2008, 11:36am
#19
by Chess_Warrior
Bayamon B.O Nuevo Puerto Rico
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 154
I found the website, and I started reading the rule, and I don't understand the move about the minister (elephant).
16th June 2008, 11:43am
#20
by pompom
PA United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 88

Chess Warrior, where is the website?


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