Comparing Carlsen Nanjing 2009 historically

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12th October 2009, 07:33am
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by goldendog
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Jeff Sonas has just done some work comparing Carlsen's recent great performance in Nanjing to other hisorically superlative performances.

Interesting reading.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5828

 

Best Tournament Performances since January 2005# Player Score/% opp. Perf. Event

1
Magnus Carlsen
 8/10 (80%) 2733 2850
Nanjing, 2009


2
Vassily Ivanchuk
 8/10 (80%) 2715 2835
Mtel Masters, Sofia, 2008

3
Veselin Topalov
10/14 (71%) 2726 2830
San Luis (World Championship), 2005

4
Veselin Topalov
 8/12 (67%) 2741 2804
Linares, 2005

5
Garry Kasparov
 8/12 (67%) 2733 2797
Linares, 2005

6
Viswanathan Anand
 9/13 (69%) 2706 2794
Corus A, 2006

 
Veselin Topalov
 9/13 (69%) 2705 2794
Corus A, 2006

8
Viswanathan Anand
 9/14 (64%) 2728 2791
Mexico (World Championship), 2007

9
Vladimir Kramnik
6.5/9 (72%) 2717 2788
Tal Memorial, Moscow, 2007

10
Veselin Topalov
 7/10 (70%) 2717 2786
Nanjing, 2008

And...:

 

Best Tournament Performances of All Time# Player Score/% opp. Perf. Event

1
Anatoly Karpov
11/13 (85%) 2729 2899
Linares, 1994

2
Garry Kasparov
12/14 (86%) 2692 2881
Tilburg, 1989

3
Emanuel Lasker
18/22 (82%) 2667 2878
London, 1899

4
Garry Kasparov
10.5/14 (75%) 2758 2877
Linares, 1999

5
Mikhail Tal
20/28 (71%) 2716 2869
Bled/Zagreb/Belgrade (Cand.), 1959

6
Alexander Alekhine
13/14 (93%) 2626 2865
San Remo, 1930

7
Garry Kasparov
10/13 (77%) 2737 2863
Linares, 1993

8
Alexander Alekhine
19.5/24 (81%) 2644 2859
Bled, 1931

9
Garry Kasparov
11.5/15 (77%) 2715 2856
Belfort (World Cup), 1988

10
Garry Kasparov
10/13 (77%) 2728 2855
Linares, 1992

11
Emanuel Lasker
11.5/16 (72%) 2738 2853
St. Petersburg, 1914

12
Garry Kasparov
 9/12 (75%) 2744 2851
Amsterdam (Optiebeurs), 1988

13
Garry Kasparov
9.5/11 (86%) 2682 2850
Belgrade (Investbank), 1989
 
Bobby Fischer
18.5/23 (80%) 2643 2850
Palma de Mallorca (Interzonal), 1970
 
Mikhail Botvinnik
14/20 (70%) 2729 2850
The Hague/Moscow (WCh), 1948
 
Magnus Carlsen
 8/10 (80%) 2733 2850
Nanjing, 2009


17
Siegbert Tarrasch
29/39 (74%) 2650 2846
Vienna, 1898

18
Garry Kasparov
8.5/11 (77%) 2733 2845
Linares, 1997

19
Johannes Zukertort
22.5/29 (78%) 2641 2844
London, 1883

20
Garry Kasparov
11/14 (79%) 2691 2840
Niksic, 1983

21
Vassily Ivanchuk
 9.5/13 (73%) 2732 2837
Linares, 1991
 
Géza Maróczy
16.5/22 (75%) 2671 2837
Ostend, 1905
 
Paul Keres
18.5/28 (66%) 2719 2836
Bled/Zagreb/Belgrade (Cand.), 1959
 
Garry Kasparov
10/13 (77%) 2705 2836
Wijk aan Zee (Hoogovens), 1999

25
Vassily Ivanchuk
 8/10 (80%) 2715 2835
Mtel Masters, Sofia, 2008

 

More clearly formatted on the Chessbase site.

12th October 2009, 03:57pm
#2
by goldendog
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bump...

just because it's interesting

12th October 2009, 04:05pm
#3
by oinquarki
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Woot! Go Carlsen! He will be world chess champion! He will break Kasparov's FIDE rating record! Keep on winning man!!!

12th October 2009, 04:14pm
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by batgirl
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I'm not sure what tournaments were included in the compilation, but what about Sofia Polgar's famous 2900+ performance (at age 14) with 8.5/9 at  il Torneo Magistrale di Roma. in 1989?

12th October 2009, 04:23pm
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by goldendog
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batgirl wrote:

I'm not sure what tournaments were included in the compilation, but what about Sofia Polgar's famous 2900+ performance (at age 14) with 8.5/9 at  il Torneo Magistrale di Roma. in 1989?


It's almost certain that the way Sonas's system works (not ELO) that her performance doesn't qualify. Likely the strength of the opposition--same reason Fischer's 11-0 US Championship sweep doesn't rank high.

Just my surmise.

edit: He sees her performance as 2735

http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/SingleEvent.asp?Params=199510SSSSS3S102714000000121100877800024610100

12th October 2009, 04:41pm
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by batgirl
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Thanks. I figured there was some delimiter in the picking and choosing of tournaments.  The 2900+ figure comes from Polgar's own site

12th October 2009, 04:47pm
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by goldendog
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batgirl wrote:

Thanks. I figured there was some delimiter in the picking and choosing of tournaments.  The 2900+ figure comes from Polgar's own site


No doubt it is an accurate ELO number. I've seen it referenced many times over the years.

For that matter, Fischer's 6-0 sweep of Taimanov and Larsen combined has been quoted above 3000 as an ELO number.

I get the impression that scores without losses are tricky to gauge in the ELO system. Maybe a statistican can address this here in the forums sometime.

12th October 2009, 05:49pm
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by marvellosity
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I think you're right, goldendog - it seems statistically very tricky to gauge 100% scores. I wonder if this is because it's hard to pin down exact numbers to the performance. With any score above 0% and below 100%, there's context; a definite fixed point where the performance could be improved or worsened; whereas with 100% it could be 2900, 3100, 3300... there's no limiter.

 

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