Curious Loss

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26th August 2009, 01:14pm
#1
by BirdBrain
KY United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 1806

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=23814144

I find losses like this intriguing.  In standard chess, this guy has a 2500+, but he loses in this game to a 1300+ player at chess 960.  Any ideas?

26th August 2009, 01:19pm
#2
by nickwastaken
oakville ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 35

standard chess is a completely different game.

26th August 2009, 01:26pm
#3
by steevmartuns
Pennsylvania United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 526

The problems start at around move 27. I think he was winning before that. The Bishop and Rook up on Black's side of the board aren't properly defended. Also, White did comparatively little with his remanining Rook after that, and he gives it up for the pawn on move 49.

26th August 2009, 01:35pm
#4
by BirdBrain
KY United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 1806

Well, I think I do pretty good in 960, since there is no theory.  I remember one of my first games, against a friend who normally is much stronger than me.  In 960, I beat him fairly convincingly.  He didn't have the normal aggressive setups he learned from GM's, and I used an offbeat opening scheme that got my pieces out, and gave me a good opening phase.

I am currently playing a game where my king began at g8 and my rook at h8, and I cleared f8 out, but it won't let me castle...I don't understand. 

I did see that these two had a rematch, and the second time, the higher player beat the pants off of him!

26th August 2009, 01:56pm
#5
by kauka
Bucuresti Romania
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 640
BirdBrain wrote:

I am currently playing a game where my king began at g8 and my rook at h8, and I cleared f8 out, but it won't let me castle...I don't understand. 


 Have you tried moving Kg8-g8 (it's crazy, I know) with no luck?

26th August 2009, 01:57pm
#6
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4647

BirdBrain- In chess960, often castling is done by dragging the king onto the rook. In your game, you would castle kingside by dragging your king to h8.

26th August 2009, 02:00pm
#7
by BirdBrain
KY United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 1806

I tried the Kg8-g8.  I will try h8 and see what happens.

26th August 2009, 02:01pm
#8
by BirdBrain
KY United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 1806

Kg8-h8 was successful in analysis...thanks for the insight!  I was wondering what I was going to do!  I would have figured out something!  :-)

26th August 2009, 02:09pm
#9
by SukerPuncher333
Canada
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 578
Dexter_Morgan wrote:

But if he continues to play poorly and lose to players he is rated 1200 points higher in standard chess, I think it should raise a few eyebrows.


I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but it's almost equally easy to cheat in 960.

26th August 2009, 02:13pm
#10
by steevmartuns
Pennsylvania United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 526
Dexter_Morgan wrote:
nickwastaken wrote:

standard chess is a completely different game.


No it's not.  It's not like Chess960 is some wild variant where skills from standard chess don't carry over.  When you are 2500 I think you have a well above average understanding of the game of chess.  These skills don't just disappear when the pieces are slightly moved around.  That said, I think it's perfectably reasonable to expect a bad game here or there in 960.  But if he continues to play poorly and lose to players he is rated 1200 points higher in standard chess, I think it should raise a few eyebrows.


It IS weird that he didn't botch the opening instead (I've done this often :P), that's the only place where they really differ... But perhaps he was just having a bad day? Who knows?

26th August 2009, 02:23pm
#11
by AMcHarg
Livingston Scotland
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 913
SukerPuncher333 wrote:
Dexter_Morgan wrote:

But if he continues to play poorly and lose to players he is rated 1200 points higher in standard chess, I think it should raise a few eyebrows.


I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but it's almost equally easy to cheat in 960.


Exactly.  Computers can still be used in Chess 960, to them it's no different except the fact that they can't use an opening book.  It's the same as setting up a position and getting them to look over it.

One thing that must be pointed out with regard to Chess 960 though is that you cannot use databases or books etc to help make your initial decisions (as none cover 960).  This could have an influence on the difference between the grades but I don't think it would feasibly separate the grades by 1200 elo.

26th August 2009, 02:25pm
#12
by steevmartuns
Pennsylvania United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 526

Here's my opinion: the 2500-rated player completely won the opening. He made a tactical miscalculation in the middlegame that cost him 8 points of material. That's probably all it was.

26th August 2009, 02:29pm
#13
by qtsii
Machiavelli United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 4510

I hate 960 !!!!

27th August 2009, 07:36am
#14
by SirBenjamin
Des Moines, Iowa United States
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 177

I've noticed a lot of 1200-1400 ranked players matching up exclusively against 1700-1800 rank players.  Sometimes you have to do more research to get the entire story.  Just a thought.

27th August 2009, 07:46am
#15
by Lord-Chaos
Devon England
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 1961

29 b4?!?!?!!!!!!!!

27th August 2009, 07:53am
#16
by hazenfelts
Lives somewhere in England
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 552

I know that the database on here can lead quite far into a game.  E.G.

That game is from each move from the top of the list in the game explorer.  An example of just how far the database can hold your hand into a game.  With chess 960 this help is thrown out of the window
27th August 2009, 09:11am
#17
by mwaltenburg
Greenville, NC United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 706

chess960 is a different monster altogether. the rules are somewhat different and you either do well with this variation or you don't. I am sure that many players love this style, but i myself don't like it that much.

27th August 2009, 10:30am
#18
by BirdBrain
KY United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 1806

I love the 960 because your opponent has to think from move 1.  Of course, some can cheat, but if they are going to do that, they will do it anyway...

 

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