defect in chess rules?

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25th February 2009, 09:06pm
#1
by DrawMaster
United States
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Interesting. I wouldn't agree, but I don't a strong views why.

25th February 2009, 09:15pm
#2
by heavyop
Seattle United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
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Well, if you are about to win on time, why would you accept a draw from your opponent?

26th February 2009, 12:00am
#3
by TrainingForNM
Canada
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 26

Personally I think the only defect in chess rules is the lack of humilation for the loser.  Loser has to setup the next game only using his butt!

4th March 2009, 10:14pm
#4
by chef_d
Texas United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 32

what's the flag?

4th March 2009, 10:18pm
#5
by einstein2191
Bay Area, California United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 534

If the player does not respond to the draw then it is onsidered "ignored" and play continues normally. So if the flag does drop then the win is set normally with the offer not considered. That is my opinion on the matter.

4th March 2009, 10:25pm
#6
by SensFan33
Ottawa Canada
Member Since: Nov 2008
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einstein2191 wrote:

If the player does not respond to the draw then it is onsidered "ignored" and play continues normally. So if the flag does drop then the win is set normally with the offer not considered. That is my opinion on the matter.


Right.  This applies if I make a draw offer, and your flag falls before you accept it, decline it, or move.

4th March 2009, 10:48pm
#7
by Narz
Pitman, New Jersey United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2808
TrainingForNM wrote:

Personally I think the only defect in chess rules is the lack of humilation for the loser.  Loser has to setup the next game only using his butt!


Hmm, I'm not sure I'd want to use those pieces...

That rule would create a whole new industry overnight - "chess gloves". Money mouth

14th June 2009, 03:52am
#8
by yeres30
Waipahu, Hawaii United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 610

An offer of a draw means nothing until accepted. Therefore, while the player contemplates on the offer but his flag falls, the player loses on forfeit.

For the game to be drawn, the player has to accept the draw offer before his flag falls.

14th June 2009, 11:08am
#9
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land International
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 1861

Your proposal is lousy and fully ignorant of the dynamic at play.

13th July 2009, 12:33pm
#10
by bomtrown
Baltimore United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 518

my my. is it a full moon?

13th July 2009, 12:42pm
#11
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2277
normajeanyates wrote:

I think there is one defect in the rules of chess as they stand, (fide and all other that I know of).

Let me put it this way: the defect is that the following rule is missing:

If a player's flag falls while opponent's draw offer is pending, the game is drawn.

What do you all think?


 Yeah, yeah, I read your pearls before swine speech, but I'm still going to voice my opinion.

I wouldn't support this proposed rule change as it would make no sense if you tried to apply it to the other types of draws.

e.g. If you're in the middle of a threefold repition and your flag falls, that shouldn't be a draw. Or if you're nearing 50 moves without a capture or pawn move, and someone runs out of time, that shouldn't be a draw either. Same with perpetual check and stalemate.

I don't believe a draw offer constitutes enough to declare the game a draw, much the same as 49 moves without capture or pawn move doesn't constitute a draw.

13th July 2009, 01:32pm
#12
by normajeanyates
london [often in calcutta india] England
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2597
RyanMK wrote:
normajeanyates wrote:

I think there is one defect in the rules of chess as they stand, (fide and all other that I know of).

Let me put it this way: the defect is that the following rule is missing:

If a player's flag falls while opponent's draw offer is pending, the game is drawn.

What do you all think?


 Yeah, yeah, I read your pearls before swine speech, but I'm still going to voice my opinion.

I wouldn't support this proposed rule change as it would make no sense if you tried to apply it to the other types of draws.

e.g. If you're in the middle of a threefold repition and your flag falls, that shouldn't be a draw. Or if you're nearing 50 moves without a capture or pawn move, and someone runs out of time, that shouldn't be a draw either. Same with perpetual check and stalemate.

I don't believe a draw offer constitutes enough to declare the game a draw, much the same as 49 moves without capture or pawn move doesn't constitute a draw.


The 'pearls before swine' speech wasn't directed at sensiible responses like yours. You have a point there. (Though I dont think the 49-move analogy is so good; but the two-fold repetition analogy is good...) More important, you are not merely reiterating existing rules or being insulting.

Sources that don't wish to be named informed me that fide did recently (meaning within the last 10 years) consider this and decided, after discussion,  not to introduce it. I floated this as a test of the psychological profile of the audience here.

Neither you nor me are going to have the vote on this: it is countries' chess associations which are fide-members, not individuals...

My purpose having been accomplished, I was about to delete this thread. Used to happen the starter of a thread could delete it by deleting the starting post. Doesnt happen now it seems...

 

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